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Old 03-17-2005, 03:10 PM   #121
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Woe is the track owner.
People these days seem to think that a for profit business is a club. It is not. You pays yo money and takes yo choice. Just because someone chooses to enter the business without a business plan , it does not require all racers to be at a sub par track every week.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the efforts of track owners. I am glad that they do what they do. I also feel like if you open a business, and it is not up to par, do not expect profits. The reality is that rc tracks are usually a break even type business, but you are not excused from reality based on that fact.

That being said, the nationals are supposed to be the most important event of the year for ROAR. The track should be on that level as well.
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:33 PM   #122
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Well those are better shots!
dwag meat the first pics posted werent very flattering. These look better!
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Old 03-17-2005, 04:12 PM   #123
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I agree with Chach ... do the math.

A cheap werehouse would be 50 cents per Sq foot (In a bad area, nicer areas are closer to $1 per foot). The average indoor track needs about a 6000-7000 Sq Ft facility, that's $3000-$3500 for rent. Heating bill for winter, $200-$500 per month. Price of carpet is about $4000. AMB system, $4000. Pipes/Barriers $600. Keep in mind, indoor tracks business really drops off during summer because people want to race outdoors.

Now calculate what the track owner takes in for entry fee's if you bring in an average of 20 racers per club race. Assume you have 3 racedays per week at $12 per racer, that's about $2880.

Now calculate the profits the tracks make on items they sell. They would be doing ok if it wasn't for the online stores driving prices down because they don't have to keep a track going....

Most track owners can't afford to live off their track. Most are breaking even, meaning they need a second job just to live.
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Old 03-17-2005, 04:47 PM   #124
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As interesting as this debate is, this is the wrong thread. Start an RC Business 101 thread and leave this one for updates from the nats.

Anyone know where practice lap times might be found online?
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Old 03-17-2005, 05:23 PM   #125
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Not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but RCAMERICA is doing coverage for this event.

http://www.rcamerica.com/media/showa...hp?articleID=9
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Old 03-17-2005, 06:11 PM   #126
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Wow...that's a hard track. To me, that isn't a million times better than the snowbirds layout from this year. There is so much track space and it's killed by all these long chutes. Personally, I think the layout from this past year's Cleveland has been the best I've ever raced on and best I've seen. It was open enough to lay down the ponies, but technical and flowing to challenge both car and driver. That's what a real racetrack should be like.

As far as the track as a whole, it looks like a pretty nice facility. The one thing that bugs me is that people had to bring their own chairs. I know it's not a very profitable business, but have enough chairs for people for a race of this magnitude.

Ian, well respected names actually said that? I am surprised. The best racing is on the technical tracks. Guys that can go toe-to-toe for 5 minutes at the speed modified cars go is very impressive on technical tracks. Best racing display I've seen: Paulie and Josh at this year's Cleveland.
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Joor, when is the RCAMERICA site gonna update? Have you heard anything?

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Old 03-17-2005, 06:59 PM   #128
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Brian, the pics posted by Dawgmeat are not the Nats layout. I thought they were and was kinda bummed with all those chutes. The track pic on the RCamerica site is the Nats layout.
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Oh, ok. Thanks for correcting me.
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Just judging by the few pictures I've seen, and owning close to a million square feet of commercial property, I can tell you that it looks like a top notch facility. A hobby shop and track is not a high income prospect. Rent is based on square foot price, when you have a big open track with races everynight that have only 20 entries on average, your race fee does not cover the costs to open, then on top of that, most of you buy online and cut out the LHS. Those who race weekends and pay their 10 bucks to race have no clue how much it costs to cover the monthly nut, electricity, water and putting food on the table for wifey and the kids. You just cannot go out, by 10 acres, put up a 20000 square foot building with no poles and paint everything with pretty colors and expect to make your money back. It take alot of money and balls to build a place and I hate to tell you guys, all that are complaining, get a clue and be thankful you have a place to race. Otherwise like somebody else wrote, build one yourself and see. I know I babbled, but I am sick of people crying over spilt milk here, but the intelligent people have a clue and are thankful, the others...well we willl just let Darwin weed them out.
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