Xray T4 '13
#676
Remember, that's for the T3'12 and needs a little work.
#677
Is the new kit comes with carpet and asphalt set up ? Any comments with the stock set up
#678
Tech Elite
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http://www.piez0r.com/Skiddins/Xray%20Setup%20Sheets/Carpet%20Setups/t3'12-EWS-Damian-14-10-12.pdf
Remember, that's for the T3'12 and needs a little work.
Remember, that's for the T3'12 and needs a little work.
Based on what I see this car would rotate really well, but be super hard to drive consistently. I know you guys run different tires and much different carpet over there so setups here would probably not help much.
I am sure you were not looking for feedback . but I would certainly go a much different direction for my driving style...
It is hard to tell, but which car is yours in the video? Sorry, figured it out...Duh!
Last edited by artwork; 10-15-2012 at 12:12 PM.
#679
#680
Interesting setup...I think I can see why you claim to have issues with rear grip as suggested in the notes section of the setup sheet.
Based on what I see this car would rotate really well, but be super hard to drive consistently. I know you guys run different tires and much different carpet over there so setups here would probably not help much.
I am sure you were not looking for feedback . but I would certainly go a much different direction for my driving style...
It is hard to tell, but which car is yours in the video? Sorry, figured it out...Duh!
Based on what I see this car would rotate really well, but be super hard to drive consistently. I know you guys run different tires and much different carpet over there so setups here would probably not help much.
I am sure you were not looking for feedback . but I would certainly go a much different direction for my driving style...
It is hard to tell, but which car is yours in the video? Sorry, figured it out...Duh!
I'm always open to other options, whether they do or don't work
#681
Tech Adept
http://www.piez0r.com/Skiddins/Xray%20Setup%20Sheets/Carpet%20Setups/t3'12-EWS-Damian-14-10-12.pdf
Remember, that's for the T3'12 and needs a little work.
Remember, that's for the T3'12 and needs a little work.
The car and setup looks good, the only things I would run different is, 1000-2000 rear diff oil as any higher and I find the rear end snaps, front shocks laid down one hole and front camber link in middle hole not outer.
Then again we probably drive differently so its all up to how you feel driving it!!
Were you running the hagberg rear mod? If so did you also run it at rug racers?
#682
Tech Elite
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Generally this is what I would try...
2.8 front springs with 400 oil and either 2.4 or 2.2-2.6 progressive rear springs with 350.
I would shim out the top of my front shocks 1mm from the shock tower...this will make the car a bit less aggressive.
I would go back to the 1.2 sway bar in the rear.
I would run more toe in the rear to help forward traction. I would go to 3.5deg.
I would move to the middle hole in the front on the inner camber link.
I would take out the 1mm shim on the inner camber link in the rear.
I would dope less of my front tires so that as the tire heats up it does not over-steer as much. ( I know this one many people do not agree with, but for me this has the absolute biggest affect on how efficient the car feels around the track) ( I think it is better to make the car turn with setup changes rather then full dope, but that is my personal opinion)
BTW- I love the Video...I have watched it like 10 times already very clear and a great shot of the racing.
#683
Tech Regular
I can send you it if you want? Be warned though, you may need to dremel the chassis a little!
#684
Hi mate, I got my t3 '12 going really well towards the end of the ardent winter series earlier this year (qualified 2nd in the A in 13.5t class and should have won but for a stupid mistake), haven't messed with the setup too much since, just the occasional tweak.
I can send you it if you want? Be warned though, you may need to dremel the chassis a little!
I can send you it if you want? Be warned though, you may need to dremel the chassis a little!
About to run at the cwic's
#685
Tech Regular
#687
Tech Apprentice
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Front:
2nd hole from top on shock tower
2.7 Xray spring
300cst oil
4X1.1mm pistons
1.4 Xray bar(short endlinks)
2 degrees camber L/R*Reduced "nervous" feeling during turn-in*
4 degree caster blocks*Less mid corner steering and improved turn-in*
1 degree toe-out
1mm spacer in front/rear of arm
Upper links middle hole on bulkhead
2mm under outer link
2mm under inner link
middle roll center blocks
2mm droop(measuring above ride height)
1.5mm Akerman
1mm bumpsteer
stock servo tie-rod position(upper position on servo saver)
Stock track width(1.5mm spacers)
Stock wheel hex with .5mm shim on each side
Xray diff using Plato as filler
52mm ECS shafts
Rear:
2nd hole from top on shock tower
2.3/2.6 Xray progressive spring *I thought the rear spring was 2.4/2.6 but it was actually 2.3/2.6*
300cst oil
4X1.1mm pistons
1.2 Xray bar(short endlinks and middle position on arm)
2.75 degrees camber L/R
3 degrees toe-in(using 1mm shim at the rear instead of stock .7mm)*Improved overall rear grip*
1mm spacer in front of the rear arm(2mm behind)
Upper links middle hole on bulkhead
4.5mm under outer link
2mm under inner link
high roll center blocks(+.75)
2mm droop(measuring above ride height) *reduced "abrupt" turn-in"
Stock track width
Stock wheel hex
Xray diff w/1000cst *Car turned in better and more stable on power*
50mm stock shafts
Notes:
-Added 1mm(2mm total) between shock tower and front shock
-Added 2mm between the bottom of the rear shock and arm.
#688
Tech Elite
iTrader: (44)
Below are the changes(in bold) from the original setup I posted.
Front:
2nd hole from top on shock tower
2.7 Xray spring
300cst oil
4X1.1mm pistons
1.4 Xray bar(short endlinks)
2 degrees camber L/R*Reduced "nervous" feeling during turn-in*
4 degree caster blocks*Less mid corner steering and improved turn-in*
1 degree toe-out
1mm spacer in front/rear of arm
Upper links middle hole on bulkhead
2mm under outer link
2mm under inner link
middle roll center blocks
2mm droop(measuring above ride height)
1.5mm Akerman
1mm bumpsteer
stock servo tie-rod position(upper position on servo saver)
Stock track width(1.5mm spacers)
Stock wheel hex with .5mm shim on each side
Xray diff using Plato as filler
52mm ECS shafts
Rear:
2nd hole from top on shock tower
2.3/2.6 Xray progressive spring *I thought the rear spring was 2.4/2.6 but it was actually 2.3/2.6*
300cst oil
4X1.1mm pistons
1.2 Xray bar(short endlinks and middle position on arm)
2.75 degrees camber L/R
3 degrees toe-in(using 1mm shim at the rear instead of stock .7mm)*Improved overall rear grip*
1mm spacer in front of the rear arm(2mm behind)
Upper links middle hole on bulkhead
4.5mm under outer link
2mm under inner link
high roll center blocks(+.75)
2mm droop(measuring above ride height) *reduced "abrupt" turn-in"
Stock track width
Stock wheel hex
Xray diff w/1000cst *Car turned in better and more stable on power*
50mm stock shafts
Notes:
-Added 1mm(2mm total) between shock tower and front shock
-Added 2mm between the bottom of the rear shock and arm.
Front:
2nd hole from top on shock tower
2.7 Xray spring
300cst oil
4X1.1mm pistons
1.4 Xray bar(short endlinks)
2 degrees camber L/R*Reduced "nervous" feeling during turn-in*
4 degree caster blocks*Less mid corner steering and improved turn-in*
1 degree toe-out
1mm spacer in front/rear of arm
Upper links middle hole on bulkhead
2mm under outer link
2mm under inner link
middle roll center blocks
2mm droop(measuring above ride height)
1.5mm Akerman
1mm bumpsteer
stock servo tie-rod position(upper position on servo saver)
Stock track width(1.5mm spacers)
Stock wheel hex with .5mm shim on each side
Xray diff using Plato as filler
52mm ECS shafts
Rear:
2nd hole from top on shock tower
2.3/2.6 Xray progressive spring *I thought the rear spring was 2.4/2.6 but it was actually 2.3/2.6*
300cst oil
4X1.1mm pistons
1.2 Xray bar(short endlinks and middle position on arm)
2.75 degrees camber L/R
3 degrees toe-in(using 1mm shim at the rear instead of stock .7mm)*Improved overall rear grip*
1mm spacer in front of the rear arm(2mm behind)
Upper links middle hole on bulkhead
4.5mm under outer link
2mm under inner link
high roll center blocks(+.75)
2mm droop(measuring above ride height) *reduced "abrupt" turn-in"
Stock track width
Stock wheel hex
Xray diff w/1000cst *Car turned in better and more stable on power*
50mm stock shafts
Notes:
-Added 1mm(2mm total) between shock tower and front shock
-Added 2mm between the bottom of the rear shock and arm.
#689
Tech Apprentice
I have always found that grip remains the same but the line between neutral and snap oversteer is much finer. You are relying more on the tire when when reducing roll and this can cause them to overheat in some cases. The main advantage is that the reduction of roll at the rear makes the car transition much quicker and allows the car to "sqaure up" sooner. Again, something these progressive springs do not seem to allow. Hense the reason we are running the shocks stood up and the higher real roll centre. Keep in mind that you can go to far, which is why we need to do more testing.
#690
Least expensive place to get the T4 is at Stormer? (when its in stock) Anyone know of another source?