Xray T4 '13
#541
Tech Apprentice
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Hi guys, this is Andrew Hardmans mechanic. I can assure those that are skeptical about the potential of the new car, that the T4 is superior to the T3'12 in many ways. We were only able to test the new car a couple days before flying out to the IIC and despite missing the first day of practice, the car allowed for us to get up to pace within two, 2 minute runs. In fact, leading up until the first qualifier, we had just 14 minutes of practice time.
At this point, we were running the T4 for Mod and the T3 for Superstock. After the last practice, I was unable to get the T3 to where I thought it should be so we made the decision to run the T4 in both classes as it was already setting competitive times and was much eaier to drive(as per Andrew). This meant I would be a little busier changing over electronics but in our eyes it was absolutely worth it. As you guys can see from the results, we were able to do quite well without having the luxury of having two cars to optimize for each class. Not to mention, during the morning practice, Andrew had a freak crash with lapped traffic(all classes running together in the morning ) and unfortunately it de-laminated the front of the chassis. I managed to glue it back together but I could not remove the tweak which meant I had to run less camber on one side to counteract the snap oversteer turning left. This caught Andrew out on many ocassions but thankfully he is a wheel and still put in some greats runs. I hope this does not sound like excuses but I wanted to highlight these "obstacles" to show just how good the car really is even when it was not 100%.
The chassis will have to remain for this weekends local race and I am confident it will still put up the times we know it is capable of.
I will post our setup from the IIC in a couple days for those interested but if you have any other questions, ask away.
Corey Whiteman
At this point, we were running the T4 for Mod and the T3 for Superstock. After the last practice, I was unable to get the T3 to where I thought it should be so we made the decision to run the T4 in both classes as it was already setting competitive times and was much eaier to drive(as per Andrew). This meant I would be a little busier changing over electronics but in our eyes it was absolutely worth it. As you guys can see from the results, we were able to do quite well without having the luxury of having two cars to optimize for each class. Not to mention, during the morning practice, Andrew had a freak crash with lapped traffic(all classes running together in the morning ) and unfortunately it de-laminated the front of the chassis. I managed to glue it back together but I could not remove the tweak which meant I had to run less camber on one side to counteract the snap oversteer turning left. This caught Andrew out on many ocassions but thankfully he is a wheel and still put in some greats runs. I hope this does not sound like excuses but I wanted to highlight these "obstacles" to show just how good the car really is even when it was not 100%.
The chassis will have to remain for this weekends local race and I am confident it will still put up the times we know it is capable of.
I will post our setup from the IIC in a couple days for those interested but if you have any other questions, ask away.
Corey Whiteman
#542
Thanks for the info. Did you have softer springs set available for the t4?
#543
Tech Master
iTrader: (56)
Not to mention, during the morning practice, Andrew had a freak crash with lapped traffic(all classes running together in the morning ) and unfortunately it de-laminated the front of the chassis. I managed to glue it back together but I could not remove the tweak which meant I had to run less camber on one side to counteract the snap oversteer turning left. This caught Andrew out on many ocassions but thankfully he is a wheel and still put in some greats runs.
Corey Whiteman
Corey Whiteman
#544
That's not uncommon. I remember the first week of the t3 release many of them were ruin when ripped thru by the front arms pivot pin holders during a hard crash. I hot bonded new graphite layers on my friend's chassIs at that time.
#545
Tech Master
iTrader: (15)
A well prepped chassis sealing will limit de-lamination. Just like the manual says, light sanding of the chassis edge and an even layer of CA glue. In fact, i like to put a radius around the chassis edge. That should do the trick. Not to say that Andrew Hardmans chassis wasn't prepped. I wouldn't sweat the de- lamination issue. I'm running a two year old, original 2011 chassis and haven't had any issues. Just don't rush the build and take time on the chassis sealing.
#546
Tech Regular
#547
Tech Apprentice
It is something that doesn't happen that often but like any other part on the car(or any car for that matter), it can break. The crash was so hard the front lower plastic bumper bent up pulling the screws through the upper layer of the chassis.
#548
Tech Apprentice
(2.4-2.6 Rear and 2.7 Front). Actually, the only thing I changed was the stock front draveshafts to ECS's.
With an optional spring kit, I have no doubt I could have extracted more speed from the car but sometimes you have to work with what you have. So, if you have it in you, you too can make the A-main at a major race using 99.5% of what came in your kit. Actually, maybe 99.4% as I didn't use some of the plastic spacers
#549
Tech Regular
We ran the car exactly like it came out of the box, including the kit springs
(2.4-2.6 Rear and 2.7 Front). Actually, the only thing I changed was the stock front draveshafts to ECS's.
With an optional spring kit, I have no doubt I could have extracted more speed from the car but sometimes you have to work with what you have. So, if you have it in you, you too can make the A-main at a major race using 99.5% of what came in your kit. Actually, maybe 99.4% as I didn't use some of the plastic spacers
(2.4-2.6 Rear and 2.7 Front). Actually, the only thing I changed was the stock front draveshafts to ECS's.
With an optional spring kit, I have no doubt I could have extracted more speed from the car but sometimes you have to work with what you have. So, if you have it in you, you too can make the A-main at a major race using 99.5% of what came in your kit. Actually, maybe 99.4% as I didn't use some of the plastic spacers
Do you know if standard springs fit the big bore shocks? I saw a picture of Hagberg's with what looked like HPI springs on it.
P.S Mine is coming tomorrow!
#550
Tech Champion
iTrader: (73)
Hi guys, this is Andrew Hardmans mechanic. I can assure those that are skeptical about the potential of the new car, that the T4 is superior to the T3'12 in many ways. We were only able to test the new car a couple days before flying out to the IIC and despite missing the first day of practice, the car allowed for us to get up to pace within two, 2 minute runs. In fact, leading up until the first qualifier, we had just 14 minutes of practice time.
At this point, we were running the T4 for Mod and the T3 for Superstock. After the last practice, I was unable to get the T3 to where I thought it should be so we made the decision to run the T4 in both classes as it was already setting competitive times and was much eaier to drive(as per Andrew). This meant I would be a little busier changing over electronics but in our eyes it was absolutely worth it. As you guys can see from the results, we were able to do quite well without having the luxury of having two cars to optimize for each class. Not to mention, during the morning practice, Andrew had a freak crash with lapped traffic(all classes running together in the morning ) and unfortunately it de-laminated the front of the chassis. I managed to glue it back together but I could not remove the tweak which meant I had to run less camber on one side to counteract the snap oversteer turning left. This caught Andrew out on many ocassions but thankfully he is a wheel and still put in some greats runs. I hope this does not sound like excuses but I wanted to highlight these "obstacles" to show just how good the car really is even when it was not 100%.
The chassis will have to remain for this weekends local race and I am confident it will still put up the times we know it is capable of.
I will post our setup from the IIC in a couple days for those interested but if you have any other questions, ask away.
Corey Whiteman
At this point, we were running the T4 for Mod and the T3 for Superstock. After the last practice, I was unable to get the T3 to where I thought it should be so we made the decision to run the T4 in both classes as it was already setting competitive times and was much eaier to drive(as per Andrew). This meant I would be a little busier changing over electronics but in our eyes it was absolutely worth it. As you guys can see from the results, we were able to do quite well without having the luxury of having two cars to optimize for each class. Not to mention, during the morning practice, Andrew had a freak crash with lapped traffic(all classes running together in the morning ) and unfortunately it de-laminated the front of the chassis. I managed to glue it back together but I could not remove the tweak which meant I had to run less camber on one side to counteract the snap oversteer turning left. This caught Andrew out on many ocassions but thankfully he is a wheel and still put in some greats runs. I hope this does not sound like excuses but I wanted to highlight these "obstacles" to show just how good the car really is even when it was not 100%.
The chassis will have to remain for this weekends local race and I am confident it will still put up the times we know it is capable of.
I will post our setup from the IIC in a couple days for those interested but if you have any other questions, ask away.
Corey Whiteman
#552
Is the Fall Fiasco this weekend?
#554
Team EAM
iTrader: (79)
So far you haven't tried the regular springs on the rear? I tried them on the '12 and didn't like their balance, it would seem that the T4 was designed around them so maybe they feel better. Did anyone else end up running the progressives at IIC? I talked to a few who tried them, not sure who stuck with them.
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