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Old 09-04-2012, 11:26 PM   #1
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Default Fastest formula 1 chassis at the moment?

Looking to get a formula one car as my second vehicle for the winter on carpet. There seem to be a lot of choices -

The f104 with the exotek chassis
The f103 with the exotek chassis
The Sakura FGX with the exotek chassis

Any definitive 'best' option among these three? Price is no object really.
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Looking to get a formula one car as my second vehicle for the winter on carpet. There seem to be a lot of choices -

The f104 with the exotek chassis
The f103 with the exotek chassis
The Sakura FGX with the exotek chassis

Any definitive 'best' option among these three? Price is no object really.
not the FGX
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Looking to get a formula one car as my second vehicle for the winter on carpet. There seem to be a lot of choices -

The f104 with the exotek chassis
The f103 with the exotek chassis
The Sakura FGX with the exotek chassis

Any definitive 'best' option among these three? Price is no object really.
F-103 on foam tires is the pinnacle of pure speed by which all other F1's are judged

Best at "your" track may vary depending on rules for the class
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I'm with Dave on that one. However my F103 is proudly sitting in my trophy case because it's considered not "realistic" enough for some and has been banned from many F1 programs. To be on the safe side, go with the F104 V2 Pro for starters and see how you like it. As Mr Berger will attest, with a few minor upgrade's it's fast right out of the box! You can always do Exotek upgrades once you get to know the car and figure out where your cash would be best spent.
First big investment should be in tires. 70-80% of your tuning troubles will go away with the right set of tires. If you will run the TCS series, the new Tamiya tires that are made by Pit S would be the way to go. Good on carpet and asphalt.
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Old 09-05-2012, 06:35 AM   #5
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On our track (large outdoor asphalt track) the Corally F1 NGX is the fastest. Only when the grip is really good, The F103's and F1-09's can compete.
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I'm going to go "against the grain" here, but my vote is for the F104 X1, or the F104 Pro with the X1 damper and upper deck. Thats what the fast guys are running in my neck of the woods. But we are running rubber tires on asphalt in summer and rubber tires on carpet in winter, and run "narrow" cars only.

However, a few weeks ago we all got smoked by a first generation F104 Pro, friction plate and all. Its all in the setup and driving. I'm not factoring the difference between 180mm and 200mm width and foam/rubber tires - around here we all run 180mm wide & rubber tires.

Of course an F103 on foams will be fastest overall.

I don't think the exotek chassis are necessary. I'll beat an exotek-chassis any day with my bone stock tamiya chassis plates. Its a matter of making the chassis do what you need through a combination of tuning and making your driving style get the most out of your chassis.
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I'm going to go "against the grain" here, but my vote is for the F104 X1, or the F104 Pro with the X1 damper and upper deck. Thats what the fast guys are running in my neck of the woods. But we are running rubber tires on asphalt in summer and rubber tires on carpet in winter, and run "narrow" cars only.

However, a few weeks ago we all got smoked by a first generation F104 Pro, friction plate and all. Its all in the setup and driving. I'm not factoring the difference between 180mm and 200mm width and foam/rubber tires - around here we all run 180mm wide & rubber tires.

Of course an F103 on foams will be fastest overall.

I don't think the exotek chassis are necessary. I'll beat an exotek-chassis any day with my bone stock tamiya chassis plates. Its a matter of making the chassis do what you need through a combination of tuning and making your driving style get the most out of your chassis.
+1 My FQ104 has been dominant over the last few months on asphalt. will be put to the test this weekend on carpet in Dallas, although i did build a wide car just in case! Around here the V2's are not holding up all that great, handling is a bit off, springs pop off and the links bend. The faster guys have to run crazy setups to get them to keep up with the FQ's ,X1's and TRG's.
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+1 My FQ104 has been dominant over the last few months on asphalt. will be put to the test this weekend on carpet in Dallas, although i did build a wide car just in case! Around here the V2's are not holding up all that great, handling is a bit off, springs pop off and the links bend. The faster guys have to run crazy setups to get them to keep up with the FQ's ,X1's and TRG's.
Remember that they are all Pan cars, only so much you can do to them!
It's like deja vu
Same comments when 12th scale link cars came out, a lot about t-bar superiority on certain corners, yadda, yadda

I guess in time we will see the direction the masses go
My $$ is on link design

And Corally F1 run 10th Pan car wheels, so not same as normal F1, more like WGT with an open wheel body, nothing wrong with that if your club is cool with it
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Trg f111 in narrow form was a major improvement over my 104. New v2 looks decent and can run in tamiya races. You can also swap front ends put a shorty pack in and some 104 tires on that 103. I love the fgx concept but I guess it's to slow. Wondering how a fgx would be boosted 21.5? Illegal for racing though!
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The link cars hold up fine around here. We try not to race them like a SC though.
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What are the rules for F-1 at your local track? Foam, rubber, 200mm, 190mm, 180mm?
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What are the rules for F-1 at your local track? Foam, rubber, 200mm, 190mm, 180mm?
UF1 rules rule.

Rubber lasts for several race days and practice sessions and never has to be trued, height adjusted or regeared as the doughnut gets smaller.

190mm allows for FGX to run with the F104.

For the OP....
Exotec makes some good stuff.

What we see rolling around the UF1 series:
FGX is less efficient than direct drive. Most of the FGX drivers have to gear taller and run a fan to keep up with the DD without overheating. However, FGX has a real advantage over t-plate cars on a bumpy paved surface.

F103 is nice but not "realistic" to modern 1:1 chassis. Plus they are getting more difficult to find. If you race director will allow it, F104 can be widened with the F103 front end.

IMHO Running a link rear end like the F104v2/Exotec is better than the t-plate. Not necessarily quicker, but deff. a more consistent and planted rear end. In the end, the F104 offers the most options in a carpet car. Hook up with the right tires and away you go.
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Our rules are very simple:
6 cell NiMh, or 2S lipo, Tamiya 35T brushed F1 motor. All chassis allowed, max width 205mm, Foam and rubber tires allowed. Competition is BIG FUN and competitive. Most F104's are widened to 190mm or 200mm and run on foam.
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@Thunderbody
Our rules are very simple:
6 cell NiMh, or 2S lipo, Tamiya 35T brushed F1 motor. All chassis allowed, max width 205mm, Foam and rubber tires allowed. Competition is BIG FUN and competitive. Most F104's are widened to 190mm or 200mm and run on foam.
Theres your answer then, maybe think of getting a F104WGP
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