Serpent Cobra GT-E
#196
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Thanks for the feedback I think I'm going to try the lower KV motor higher voltage approach to keep the current draw down which in turn should keep things cooler? Also thinking I would not need to fork out for such high rated c packs and maybe I would get longer run times?
What all of this translates to in reality though I have no idea? Guess I'm going to get very familiar with how to program a RX8?
Has anyone played with the higher volt lower kv motors vs lower volt higher kv motors? I'm not interested in theory but am interested in actual experience with on road?
What all of this translates to in reality though I have no idea? Guess I'm going to get very familiar with how to program a RX8?
Has anyone played with the higher volt lower kv motors vs lower volt higher kv motors? I'm not interested in theory but am interested in actual experience with on road?
#197
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Thanks for the feedback I think I'm going to try the lower KV motor higher voltage approach to keep the current draw down which in turn should keep things cooler? Also thinking I would not need to fork out for such high rated c packs and maybe I would get longer run times?
What all of this translates to in reality though I have no idea? Guess I'm going to get very familiar with how to program a RX8?
Has anyone played with the higher volt lower kv motors vs lower volt higher kv motors? I'm not interested in theory but am interested in actual experience with on road?
What all of this translates to in reality though I have no idea? Guess I'm going to get very familiar with how to program a RX8?
Has anyone played with the higher volt lower kv motors vs lower volt higher kv motors? I'm not interested in theory but am interested in actual experience with on road?
There's not a bunch of tuning to the RX8. It only runs in dual mode. Nothing like the RS esc. Careful with a bunch of timing. These big heavy vehicles don't like it.
Here's a fun calculator to play around with and seems pretty accurate if you use the nominal voltage of 3.7/cell. Shoot for a top speed around 55-60mph.
http://www.scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/top_speed.html
#198
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Yes, more voltage and less kv will make heat control more manageable and no I don't think it's been done here except maybe Russ might have tried it. Some people use their sedan(2S) packs in series to make 4S. Not sure how easy it'll be to keep the chassis in balance with a 6S pack. It depends on what pack(s)and how they can be arranged in the car. Using two 3S packs in a car set up for two separate packs would be the ticket. Using the 1/10th sedan 2S packs makes it nice if you run sedans. Some speeders are marginal when running the 6S voltage including the onboard bec.
There's not a bunch of tuning to the RX8. It only runs in dual mode. Nothing like the RS esc. Careful with a bunch of timing. These big heavy vehicles don't like it.
Here's a fun calculator to play around with and seems pretty accurate if you use the nominal voltage of 3.7/cell. Shoot for a top speed around 55-60mph.
http://www.scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/top_speed.html
There's not a bunch of tuning to the RX8. It only runs in dual mode. Nothing like the RS esc. Careful with a bunch of timing. These big heavy vehicles don't like it.
Here's a fun calculator to play around with and seems pretty accurate if you use the nominal voltage of 3.7/cell. Shoot for a top speed around 55-60mph.
http://www.scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/top_speed.html
Looking forward to getting my kit next week!
#199
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Buying 4 3s batteries to try it out is a expensive risk especially if it doesn't work out then the batteries and the 1700kv motor is useless.
I'd be interested to see how it would work out though lol
#202
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Might be some guys running 6s low KV motors on the other threads like the GTP2e. It's not a common setup. Never ran 6s except for a speed run.
Buying 4 3s batteries to try it out is a expensive risk especially if it doesn't work out then the batteries and the 1700kv motor is useless.
I'd be interested to see how it would work out though lol
Buying 4 3s batteries to try it out is a expensive risk especially if it doesn't work out then the batteries and the 1700kv motor is useless.
I'd be interested to see how it would work out though lol
I think the real story will come when I stick my Eagle Tree in and can perhaps compare the data with another car
Next question. Does one use a 1/8 scale setup station for this car and do I need a on road or off road one?
#203
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Guess we'll find out in April Everyone I have asked so far says it should work, that they have seen significant differences when running off road, and it should be significantly cooler (at least the speedo). I just wonder what it will do to the powerband of the motor? I would guess I might loose some top end but may gain a lot in the low to middle end?
I think the real story will come when I stick my Eagle Tree in and can perhaps compare the data with another car
Next question. Does one use a 1/8 scale setup station for this car and do I need a on road or off road one?
I think the real story will come when I stick my Eagle Tree in and can perhaps compare the data with another car
Next question. Does one use a 1/8 scale setup station for this car and do I need a on road or off road one?
As to set up. A big flat set up board, large set up wheels close to 3.8" diameter, camber and ride height gauges is all that is needed. You would need an expensive 1/8th buggy set up station if so desired and no one here uses one of those.
#204
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So the difference between your 6000's and if I go with a 5000 would make you .08 of a pound heavier based on a 2 pack setup? If we compare the 5000 2cell vs 3 cell I would be .34 of a pound heavier? Which appears to be about the difference of using a soft vs hard pack setup but may allow a car to make a 8-10 min main?
Of course the next question is will they even fit in the car? Best I can find is someone saying the measurements are 140x50x25.. Can anyone confirm those?
Last edited by D.a.v.e; 01-30-2013 at 01:18 PM.
#205
140x50x25 mm is the standard dimension of a hardcase lipo, that is correct.
That is also the size the battery holders of most of the cars are made for.
The height (25mm) is not critical, most boxes will also accept a few mm more.
Hardcase is a must for cars for safety reasons as you will see in those classes already having a ROAR or EFRA sanctioned rulebook.
Looking for batteries for a 1/8 scale onroed should follow that guideline.
There are 2 cell packs (1/10 GT) and also 3 cell packs (1/8 OR) available on the market.
If you plan something to do racing with others on a circuit there are two major limitations.
One is the amount of power that can be used/ubused by the motor before it does give up by overheating. The second one is the time you need to run to complete a heat.
With a total weight of a car of around 4 kg (8.8 lbs) and a peak power of the motor in the range of 2 - 3 kw you get a idea what the current may be.
The current as an exaple for a 4s setup a 2 kw peak will be 135 Amps. (2000/14,8=135)
This is more than the banana plugs will be able to carry. Well there are packs available with dual plugs, but those are also top level in price.
Going with 6s same powerrating the current will go down to 90 Amps.
Weight of the batterypack for same amout of energy stored ( 100 Watt/hours) will be nearly the same.
My point of view that are clear arguments for 6 s.
That is also the size the battery holders of most of the cars are made for.
The height (25mm) is not critical, most boxes will also accept a few mm more.
Hardcase is a must for cars for safety reasons as you will see in those classes already having a ROAR or EFRA sanctioned rulebook.
Looking for batteries for a 1/8 scale onroed should follow that guideline.
There are 2 cell packs (1/10 GT) and also 3 cell packs (1/8 OR) available on the market.
If you plan something to do racing with others on a circuit there are two major limitations.
One is the amount of power that can be used/ubused by the motor before it does give up by overheating. The second one is the time you need to run to complete a heat.
With a total weight of a car of around 4 kg (8.8 lbs) and a peak power of the motor in the range of 2 - 3 kw you get a idea what the current may be.
The current as an exaple for a 4s setup a 2 kw peak will be 135 Amps. (2000/14,8=135)
This is more than the banana plugs will be able to carry. Well there are packs available with dual plugs, but those are also top level in price.
Going with 6s same powerrating the current will go down to 90 Amps.
Weight of the batterypack for same amout of energy stored ( 100 Watt/hours) will be nearly the same.
My point of view that are clear arguments for 6 s.
#206
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I think the weight will be a wash or maybe even an advantage for the 3 cell as I should be able to use a smaller pack? Seems weights are all over the place when it comes to various packs? I saw the calculation somewhere on how to figure the equiv 4 cell vs 6 cell in mah but just taking a swag and looking at hobbyking's softpacks a 6000mah 2cell weighs 423grams vs a 5000 3 cell pack at 404 grams vs a 5000 2 cell pack at 325 grams.
So the difference between your 6000's and if I go with a 5000 would make you .08 of a pound heavier based on a 2 pack setup? If we compare the 5000 2cell vs 3 cell I would be .34 of a pound heavier? Which appears to be about the difference of using a soft vs hard pack setup but may allow a car to make a 8-10 min main?
Of course the next question is will they even fit in the car? Best I can find is someone saying the measurements are 140x50x25.. Can anyone confirm those?
So the difference between your 6000's and if I go with a 5000 would make you .08 of a pound heavier based on a 2 pack setup? If we compare the 5000 2cell vs 3 cell I would be .34 of a pound heavier? Which appears to be about the difference of using a soft vs hard pack setup but may allow a car to make a 8-10 min main?
Of course the next question is will they even fit in the car? Best I can find is someone saying the measurements are 140x50x25.. Can anyone confirm those?
#208
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Not to mention I'm not a good enough driver for it to come down to a battery war
#209
Thanks.. I figured the built in trays in this car would be the equiv or better then a lipo case & for this project I'm going to try some cheap lipos like genace or maybe sky as it does not appear the nano techs will fit?
Not to mention I'm not a good enough driver for it to come down to a battery war
Not to mention I'm not a good enough driver for it to come down to a battery war