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Old 07-28-2012, 09:54 AM   #376
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Big Congrats to Jilles, a well deserved victory on his home track. Awesome finish in the first main.
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When did the rules change the tie breaker should of been both times added together thats how its was written do the rules change when they feel like it
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:09 AM   #378
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From IFMAR rules (italics added):

1.7.3 The final positions will be decided by a point system based on ten (10) points for the winner of each final on down to one (1) point for the tenth placed finisher in each separate final. The best two (2) out of three (3) finishes will count (the best out of two (2) if lower finals are run only two (2) times). In the event of a tied position, the driver with the single highest finishing position in either of the best two (2) finals that counted will be awarded the tie, in the event of a continuing tie, and then the laps and times from the highest finishing position will be compared. The driver with the fastest laps and time total will be awarded the tie. If still continuing, then times from the second best position will be compared.


So on this occasion, first tie break is highest finishing position. They both have a p1. Then go to fastest time from their highest finishing position. So Jilles had his P1 in a faster time than Hara had his P1 - by about 2 seconds. So Jilles wins.

That's how I read the IFMAR rules, assuming that's what was applied in this case.

Personally, I think we should count all three finals, and use quali as the tie-breaker. That's going to keep every finals series live until the third race.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:14 AM   #379
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Congrats to Jilles, it must be great to win his first world title in his hometown...
It's also great to see Hara back to form in touring.
i believe WC is Hara.
JG got no 1 in final 1,no 2 in final 3.
AH got no 2 in final 1 no 1 in final 3.
So, they are the same in final 1 and 3.
In final 2, Hara got 4 , but JG in 10.
That's why i believe Hara is the new WC.
But on offical site
http://www.ifmar2012worlds.com/
JG is the WC !!!!

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Old 07-28-2012, 10:15 AM   #380
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When did the rules change the tie breaker should of been both times added together thats how its was written do the rules change when they feel like it
not true, ifmar 1.5.2

The driver with the fastest time from their highest score will be awarded the tied position.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:31 AM   #381
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I'm kinda feeling bad for Volker, that contact with hara in A1 cost him the championship.....
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:49 AM   #382
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:03 AM   #383
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I bet when he started on that track decades ago, he wouldn't have guessed he would someday win a world championship there. That line move in leg 1 turned out to be brilliant. I commend the world's new champion. Well done Jilles Groskamp.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:22 AM   #384
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i believe WC is Hara.
JG got no 1 in final 1,no 2 in final 3.
AH got no 2 in final 1 no 1 in final 3.
So, they are the same in final 1 and 3.
In final 2, Hara got 4 , but JG in 10.
That's why i believe Hara is the new WC.
But on offical site
http://www.ifmar2012worlds.com/
JG is the WC !!!!
It is the best 2 out of 3, so you toss out one of the runs.... Now you back to your best two, they tied in position, thus it goes to a tie breaker.

That is why you will see a person with 2 wins in triple main format sit out one.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:39 AM   #385
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When did the rules change the tie breaker should of been both times added together thats how its was written do the rules change when they feel like it
Those are the IFMAR rules for 1/10th EP at least since 2006, they haven't changed
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If nothing else, congratulations to Paul Lemieux for finishing 11th...
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If nothing else, congratulations to Paul Lemieux for finishing 11th...
Indeed. And to Freddy Sudhoff for winning the E with times that would be 6th in the A

And Viljami Kutvonen for winning the G, also with A main times.
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i believe WC is Hara.
JG got no 1 in final 1,no 2 in final 3.
AH got no 2 in final 1 no 1 in final 3.
So, they are the same in final 1 and 3.
In final 2, Hara got 4 , but JG in 10.
That's why i believe Hara is the new WC.
But on offical site
http://www.ifmar2012worlds.com/
JG is the WC !!!!
I Beleive Hara should be the winner too ...none of this scrap a round crap ....hara placed in top 5 all 3 mains gilles was in 10th spot in one of his mains....hara is the winner in books but my books dont count so who cares.
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I Beleive Hara should be the winner too ...none of this scrap a round crap ....hara placed in top 5 all 3 mains gilles was in 10th spot in one of his mains....hara is the winner in books but my books dont count so who cares.
It's been that way since the triple main was invented and every single one of those drivers knew it and knew what they had to do to win. Groskamp's dive bomb pass at the line in A1 proved to be the winning move.
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:19 PM   #390
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It's been that way since the triple main was invented and every single one of those drivers knew it and knew what they had to do to win. Groskamp's dive bomb pass at the line in A1 proved to be the winning move.
It's good to see guys like Jilles win, he's not a primadonna like many of the other racers. He's also probably the best mechanic and setup guy of all the pro racers.

Hara didn't deserve the TQ, and his terrible move on Ronald in A1 makes me glad he lost the way he did.
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