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Old 07-09-2012, 12:51 PM   #16
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I'm just saying that in stock..(17.5 13.5) is that you should be able to get your car to turn w/out brakes.....You know that you can ask me anything you want (Saturday,Sunday,Monday) any day and get the help you desire....so lets start by taking all the drag brake out and lets start getting fast.....
So are you running a one-way then?
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:11 PM   #17
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So are you running a one-way then?
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..I'm just saying that in stock..(17.5 13.5) is that you should be able to get your car to turn w/out brakes.....You know that you can ask me anything you want (Saturday,Sunday,Monday) any day and get the help you desire....so lets start by taking all the drag brake out and lets start getting fast.....
Yeah that does lie around my questioning. Makes sense I'll pull out the drag and go from there. My setup was a lot better than previous weekends. I would use brakes a lot. Now it was just drag. I have questions but more setup that would involve eyes. In 13.5 you weren't using any brake drag or just regular? Or did your car just handle that well?
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Man, there's nothing wrong with using a little push brake to set the nose of the car, even in slower clases. Find the style of driving that feels right for you and then practice it until you're fast. Trying to drive like other people will end in mediocrity.
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If you are getting around the track faster than anyone else, who cares how much brake you use?

There's been layouts where I used a ton of brakes in 17.5, and there's been layouts where I didn't need brakes with a mod motor. Personal preferences
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:53 PM   #21
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Are you guys coming to the roar on-road nationals? There going to be in Illinois at a huge purpose built on-road track....please come and feel free to show all your talents in set-up and driving skills...The track is awesome with air-conditioned pits....

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:10 PM   #22
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It might be worth going just so I can watch you coast around that huge track with no brakes and get blown up by guys that can use both sides of the trigger effectively.
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It might be worth going just so I can watch you coast around that huge track with no brakes and get blown up by guys that can use both sides of the trigger effectively.
Come get some. Already signed up for 13.5 and 17.5.
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If you are getting around the track faster than anyone else, who cares how much brake you use?

There's been layouts where I used a ton of brakes in 17.5, and there's been layouts where I didn't need brakes with a mod motor. Personal preferences
No I can see what he is saying and he was faster than me so there must be some method to the madness. Plus I do have an open ear for someone who has won multiple championships through out their years. So until I beat him day in and day out I will take his advice in to great consideration. I could easily see not using brakes either with the correct setup in 17.5 just not 13.5. I don't use brakes unless i'm diving into a corner for a pass. I was just using drag brake around a few corners but I have a few more setup options that could get me to no drag brake.
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No I can see what he is saying and he was faster than me so there must be some method to the madness. Plus I do have an open ear for someone who has won multiple championships through out their years. So until I beat him day in and day out I will take his advice in to great consideration. I could easily see not using brakes either with the correct setup in 17.5 just not 13.5. I don't use brakes unless i'm diving into a corner for a pass. I was just using drag brake around a few corners but I have a few more setup options that could get me to no drag brake.
My question was both rhetorical and not pointed at anyone specifically

And why use brakes when diving for a pass?!? That's what the other car is for
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Just my opinion.

If I can go around a tight/semi tight corner without braking (on the trigger finger) then I am probably letting off the gas too soon corner entry and coasting too early. Or using the front tires to act as a brake by scrubbing speed with excessive turning angle. I believe this is not the fastest way to corner.

My philosophy to win in slow classes is to outbrake your competition into the corners. Press on the gas, enter the corner as hard as possible (with steering angle approximate the corner radius, minimal front tire angle scrubbing off speed), brake to avoid overshooting, then power out.

Minimal drag brake. But maximum finger brake.

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You really should think before you post.....nobody is going to tell you to f off..
easy there charlie......I'm just saying that in stock..(17.5 13.5) is that you should be able to get your car to turn w/out brakes.....You know that you can ask me anything you want (Saturday,Sunday,Monday) any day and get the help you desire....so lets start by taking all the drag brake out and lets start getting fast.....
Right Espo....no drag brake in 17.5. Especially on our huge track with the air-conditioned pits!
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Come get some. Already signed up for 13.5 and 17.5.
Tempting man, but the only thing I like less than ROAR is humidity.

How about a showdown at IIC? Bring it, ladies!
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Just my opinion.

If I can go around a tight/semi tight corner without braking (on the trigger finger) then I am probably letting off the gas too soon corner entry and coasting too early. Or using the front tires to act as a brake by scrubbing speed with excessive turning angle. I believe this is not the fastest way to corner.

My philosophy to win in slow classes is to outbreak your competition into the corners. Press on the gas, enter the corner as hard as possible (with steering angle approximated the corner radius, minimal front tire angle scrubbing off speed), brake to avoid overshooting, then power out.

Minimal drake brake. But maximum finger brake.

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Nolan I ran 22% drag brake and I push brake all over the track. You gotta do what works for you. Try stuff.
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