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Old 07-05-2012, 09:08 AM   #16
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...In my case for instance, the one club the is reopening want to run and enforce ROAR. What a turn off if you ask me. I have a membership, and I have nothing against them (roar). But now, the races are mini-sanctioned events. There is a mini class - but unfortunately, those classes do not seem to grow enough to satisfy someone looking for that scale look.
Running a strict ROAR (race rules) program prevents products like bodies from getting of of control in the first place.
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Running a strict ROAR (race rules) program prevents products like bodies from getting of of control in the first place.
In what way out of control ? please explain what you mean?
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:51 AM   #18
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In what way out of control ? please explain what you mean?
When the rules are lax people deviate from them and use of the product becomes acceptable.

I have raced since 1982. Back then, a body had to represent a true racing car with supporting documentation before it could be approved. If it wasn't close enough, the body had to be changed until it could be legalized.

This worked because everyone ran ROAR rules. There is no way you could show up with a non-ROAR approved body. Because of this, manufacturers only made scale appearing bodies or there would be nobody to sell them to.

With no rules, manufacturers will make anything and if allowed to be used, they become legal automatically.

It is not just bodies, off-road wheels, motors, batteries, etc have been become legal simply because the manufacturers made them and very few enforced the rules that disallowed them.
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This is off-topic, but...

I, along with a host of physics professors, and visual effects professionals, will disagree with your statement.

The only thing that does not scale is G. Size, speed, power, and even TIME can be scaled. That is how you can create realistic train wrecks/car crashes/explosions in the movie industry--prior to the advent of CG.

You are right about aerodynamics though, in that the Reynolds numbers are exponential rather than proportional when it comes to dealing with different SIZE objects.

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What one must realize, is that there is no "scale". There is only size. Air, speed, and the rest of physics do not scale. A shape that works aerodynamically at one size and speed, is probably not going to work at another size and speed. The shape of touring car bodies reflects what shape is going to best take advantage of aero at the size and speed of the car cars we run within regulations.
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I presently race 3 classes. GT8, GT10 (equivalent to rcgt) Mini. I run scale bodies in all three. Even of I were to change from GT10 to Mod Sedan, I would still run a scale body. Im in it for fun. I also prefer to work around the limits of the body and learn how to drive it, rather than give into the herd and buy a Mazda 6.

Lately I have even taken up creating my own race decals representing real and historic race livery.

Recently, I picked up a 2wd TRF201. I even plan on decorating that with some old school livery like Bellray etc... A throw back to the old rough rider... And if I find a lexan rough rider, I may even run that lol...

Guess I'm must a nostalgic old dude lol
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In what way out of control ? please explain what you mean?
If IFMAR didn't create the Global Body Spec (it's in the ROAR handbook) which limits what body manufacturers can do with body design we would have four door tourers with tiny domed cabin areas with the rear window somewhere near the middle of the body to give a clear airflow to the rear wing. It does mean all GBS approved bodies are very similar, but it does mean we have bodies that still look like 4 door saloons.

As an example until we had a GBS for 1/12th scale we had a situation where ROAR had no restrictions, but the BRCA had a rule that the body had to represent a full size car, meaning most ROAR legal 1/12th bodies were illegal for use in the UK due to the ridiculously small cockpits they had.

Having the GBS for both 1/12th and touring cars means all approved bodies should be more similar in handling, although the slight differences do mean you do still have to choose the right body for the track.
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As for a lack of scale bodies in on road, as the racer market is such a tiny segment of r/c a quick look at most body manufacturers catalogues would show there are considerably more scale bodies available than racing blobs, and if you want to run a scale body then unless it's a big sanctioned meeting the only race organisers that won't allow you to run are humourless pedants as it won't help you go faster.

To be honest the problem isn't the body shape, it's the paint jobs that the drivers put on them.
Touring cars took off due to their scale looks, but back then we used sticker sheets to replicate the full size cars and they looked great. Even in the 90s we all moaned that Protoforms bodies were the same shape with different grille and headlights, but you never noticed that when on track with a scale paint scheme.
Take a modern body, put the proper lights and grille on it instead of some sprayed rough guess, and paint it either one or two colour with appropriate stickers or a scale paint scheme instead of tribal vomit or a spray bomb and it will look so much better.

And if all your fellow racers want to run ugly cars, then why let it worry you as it's your own car that you are looking at while racing.
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It would be interesting to see the top drives drive a scale alfa or mazda or audi. I am sure than then, it would really come down to setup and driving rather than what it seems to me, relying very much on the body ?
Actually if the bodies had to be scale you would then find the body choice is even more important, as the greater difference in shape between the bodies would mean a greater difference in handling.

Look at the Tamiya championship, where any of Tamiyas scale bodies can be used. Everyone ends up running a Honda NSX, to such an extent they have to ban specific bodies from some classes.
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The tires have been out of scale from day one. That was and is a huge contributor to how they look today. I think
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Don't get me started on scale looks. This travesty by Asuka is apparently ''inspired'' by the Jaguar XF....



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Asuka Create introduce the XF 1/10th scale 200mm touring car body shell. The body is meant to have a very good front to rear balance and great stability. Available now in a standard 0.7mm and lightweight 0.6mm variant.
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