Hot Bodies Cyclone
11-11-2008, 12:12 PM
Depends if you are running a 27T or 17.5 motor.
27T CO27 gear 6.5 - 7.0 FDR (with rubber tires) depending on track and your particular motor.
-with a 96T spur you would need between a 33T - 36T pinion.
17.5 needs A LOT more gear. Try down in the 3.5 FDR range. Again, track size, motor brand and batteries all play a role in finding the proper gearing.
-you will need to get a smaller spur to reach the low ratios needed for stock brushless motors. Probably something around 88T spur and some high 50's pinions.
On another note: I have heard the stock C-hubs included with the Cyclone S are rather brittle. You might want to get some of the carbon C-hubs if you break the stock ones. The carbon hubs are the same hubs that come standard on the WCE and TC versions of the Cyclone.
HPI73518 4 degree carbon c-hubs
27T CO27 gear 6.5 - 7.0 FDR (with rubber tires) depending on track and your particular motor.
-with a 96T spur you would need between a 33T - 36T pinion.
17.5 needs A LOT more gear. Try down in the 3.5 FDR range. Again, track size, motor brand and batteries all play a role in finding the proper gearing.
-you will need to get a smaller spur to reach the low ratios needed for stock brushless motors. Probably something around 88T spur and some high 50's pinions.
On another note: I have heard the stock C-hubs included with the Cyclone S are rather brittle. You might want to get some of the carbon C-hubs if you break the stock ones. The carbon hubs are the same hubs that come standard on the WCE and TC versions of the Cyclone.
HPI73518 4 degree carbon c-hubs
for 17.5 you're gonna want an 80t spur gear from here...
http://www.precisionracingsystems.com/products/26
and a range of pinions from which i suggest 54-58.
http://www.precisionracingsystems.com/products/7
I run 80/57 in cyclone with an orion 17.5
Thanks to those whom have replied. I appreciate it.
I guess I just want to make sure I pick up a a good chassis in the Cyclone S.
I can't afford the TC spec right now, but just want a good competitive car out of the box. I just don't want to pony up the cash for a Cyclone S and then HB release and 2.0 version. That is why I asked if anyone here has any information if a new or revised Cyclone S will be released in the near future.
Any info?
Thanks,
hs
I guess I just want to make sure I pick up a a good chassis in the Cyclone S.
I can't afford the TC spec right now, but just want a good competitive car out of the box. I just don't want to pony up the cash for a Cyclone S and then HB release and 2.0 version. That is why I asked if anyone here has any information if a new or revised Cyclone S will be released in the near future.
Any info?
Thanks,
hs
11-11-2008, 02:07 PM
Depends if you are running a 27T or 17.5 motor.
[27T CO27 gear 6.5 - 7.0 FDR (with rubber tires) depending on track and your particular motor.
-with a 96T spur you would need between a 33T - 36T pinion.]
17.5 needs A LOT more gear. Try down in the 3.5 FDR range. Again, track size, motor brand and batteries all play a role in finding the proper gearing.
-you will need to get a smaller spur to reach the low ratios needed for stock brushless motors. Probably something around 88T spur and some high 50's pinions.
On another note: I have heard the stock C-hubs included with the Cyclone S are rather brittle. You might want to get some of the carbon C-hubs if you break the stock ones. The carbon hubs are the same hubs that come standard on the WCE and TC versions of the Cyclone.
HPI73518 4 degree carbon c-hubs
[27T CO27 gear 6.5 - 7.0 FDR (with rubber tires) depending on track and your particular motor.
-with a 96T spur you would need between a 33T - 36T pinion.]
17.5 needs A LOT more gear. Try down in the 3.5 FDR range. Again, track size, motor brand and batteries all play a role in finding the proper gearing.
-you will need to get a smaller spur to reach the low ratios needed for stock brushless motors. Probably something around 88T spur and some high 50's pinions.
On another note: I have heard the stock C-hubs included with the Cyclone S are rather brittle. You might want to get some of the carbon C-hubs if you break the stock ones. The carbon hubs are the same hubs that come standard on the WCE and TC versions of the Cyclone.
HPI73518 4 degree carbon c-hubs
I'll be running a Team Orion Core Stock 27T motor w/ Maxamps 6 cell 4600's so you think anywhere between 33 and 36t would be good? I noticed on the Hotbodies site that the RTR comes w/ a 42t pinion and a 27t motor. Also for those of us dumb in the ways of electric what does FDR mean. I have no idea what you mean when you say 6.5-7.0 FDR. And thanks for the heads up w/ the hubs
11-11-2008, 02:23 PM
FDR= FINAL DRIVE RATIO
All motors have a sweet spot to be run at. The FDR is what most run that particular motor at and they may only have to be geared up or down one tooth depending on the track layout.
All motors have a sweet spot to be run at. The FDR is what most run that particular motor at and they may only have to be geared up or down one tooth depending on the track layout.
11-11-2008, 03:58 PM
Core stock's are weird to gear compared to Trinity motors. I cant help you there.
by the way
spur/pinion X internal drive ratio (should be 2.4375 for the cyclone) = FDR
by the way
spur/pinion X internal drive ratio (should be 2.4375 for the cyclone) = FDR
11-11-2008, 04:16 PM
At the 1st Leg of the Western Canadian Indoor Championship Series (www.wcics.ca), I picked up the TQ and win in 19T with the Cyclone (unfortunately, we don't run mod in the series).
The XRay Canada team was out in full force (8 of them in the A-main, and 1 TC5), so it was nice to get the Cyclone dialed in.
For those of you running Rubber tires on Carpet, I'm including my setup. It's pretty close to one of Andy Moore's.
Pete
The XRay Canada team was out in full force (8 of them in the A-main, and 1 TC5), so it was nice to get the Cyclone dialed in.
For those of you running Rubber tires on Carpet, I'm including my setup. It's pretty close to one of Andy Moore's.
Pete
Last edited by rc pete; 11-12-2008 at 09:34 AM. Reason: corrected setup sheet: used spool not one-way
11-11-2008, 04:36 PM
At the 1st Leg of the Western Canadian Indoor Championship Series (www.wcics.ca), I picked up the TQ and win in 19T with the Cyclone (unfortunately, we don't run mod in the series).
The XRay Canada team was out in full force (8 of them in the A-main, and 1 TC5), so it was nice to get the Cyclone dialed in.
For those of you running Rubber tires on Carpet, I'm including my setup. It's pretty close to one of Andy Moore's.
Pete
The XRay Canada team was out in full force (8 of them in the A-main, and 1 TC5), so it was nice to get the Cyclone dialed in.
For those of you running Rubber tires on Carpet, I'm including my setup. It's pretty close to one of Andy Moore's.
Pete
11-11-2008, 05:10 PM
At the 1st Leg of the Western Canadian Indoor Championship Series (www.wcics.ca), I picked up the TQ and win in 19T with the Cyclone (unfortunately, we don't run mod in the series).
The XRay Canada team was out in full force (8 of them in the A-main, and 1 TC5), so it was nice to get the Cyclone dialed in.
For those of you running Rubber tires on Carpet, I'm including my setup. It's pretty close to one of Andy Moore's.
Pete
The XRay Canada team was out in full force (8 of them in the A-main, and 1 TC5), so it was nice to get the Cyclone dialed in.
For those of you running Rubber tires on Carpet, I'm including my setup. It's pretty close to one of Andy Moore's.
Pete
Congrats on your winning of the WCICS!! Great job...
If you have any pics from the event, please send them to me at [email protected] I will put those on our web with the report.
Thanks!!
11-11-2008, 06:12 PM
But in general, if you were running the front one-way, the center one-way wouldn't do much, since the front wheels are free-wheeling off power anyway. The only case where the center one-way would do something for you would be if you were running a diff or a spool up front. That's my take, but I recall seeing some old Massami Yokomo touring car setups where he did end up using both one-ways, for whatever reason.
11-11-2008, 06:16 PM
What an awesome news!
Congrats on your winning of the WCICS!! Great job...
If you have any pics from the event, please send them to me at [email protected] I will put those on our web with the report.
Thanks!!
Congrats on your winning of the WCICS!! Great job...
If you have any pics from the event, please send them to me at [email protected] I will put those on our web with the report.
Thanks!!
Pete
11-11-2008, 07:54 PM
My take on this is that the center one way removes what little drag is left from the rear diff.. This is suppose to make the car easier to drive then just using the front one way. I'm planning on testing this tomorrow along with a diff and a center one way. Some of the fast guys at my track are running a front one way without a center one way so I'm curious to see what it feels like. What I don't like is that you lose braking. I remember driving a front one way years ago and it was a handful. We'll see ........
11-11-2008, 07:57 PM
Tech Regular
Good catch, I was running a spool, not the one way up front. I did try the one way, because traction was good, but the car didn't transition as smoothly. One of the other Cyclone guys was trying a center one-way with the spool up front, but it didn't work out.
But in general, if you were running the front one-way, the center one-way wouldn't do much, since the front wheels are free-wheeling off power anyway. The only case where the center one-way would do something for you would be if you were running a diff or a spool up front. That's my take, but I recall seeing some old Massami Yokomo touring car setups where he did end up using both one-ways, for whatever reason.
But in general, if you were running the front one-way, the center one-way wouldn't do much, since the front wheels are free-wheeling off power anyway. The only case where the center one-way would do something for you would be if you were running a diff or a spool up front. That's my take, but I recall seeing some old Massami Yokomo touring car setups where he did end up using both one-ways, for whatever reason.
11-11-2008, 11:25 PM
Some comments about that???
11-12-2008, 05:48 AM
Interesting discussion on rebound here.
One thing I never understood is how the little force generated by a latex membrane can make such a change once it is added to the stiff springs we are running on the four corners of the cars... when you consider the spring stiffness, that bladder pushes almost nothing... The foams I understand, they suddenly stiffen the suspension big time (closed cells) but the membrane-generated rebound, I just don't get it...
Thanks
Paul
One thing I never understood is how the little force generated by a latex membrane can make such a change once it is added to the stiff springs we are running on the four corners of the cars... when you consider the spring stiffness, that bladder pushes almost nothing... The foams I understand, they suddenly stiffen the suspension big time (closed cells) but the membrane-generated rebound, I just don't get it...
Thanks
Paul
Paul
11-12-2008, 05:50 AM
11-12-2008, 06:03 AM
