Mechanical Timing Trinity D3.5
06-08-2012, 09:08 AM
#1
Mechanical Timing Trinity D3.5
I just got the D3.5 17.5 and went to adjust the timing to 45 degree for my blinky 17.5 onroad class and the farthest it goes according to the numbers and line on the end cap is 20 degree. How do I get it further positive or can't I? Thanks
06-08-2012, 09:23 AM
#3
the manufacturers put a stop on them because they know going over that isn't good for the motor.
06-08-2012, 02:46 PM
#4
Just kidding...
06-08-2012, 03:41 PM
#6
If you still have the receipt and did not touch the motor yet (soldered it or used a dremel), return it and order a proper one in exchange.
Alternatively if you could care less about using a dremel on the new motor it is quite a simple "fix," just remove additional material to allow timing to go past 20. Finally, one must also consider what would happen if you do attend a ROAR race after having to dremel it (will it pass tech?)
06-08-2012, 07:14 PM
#7
What happened is that you, like me bought the initial batch of 80 motors with manufacturing defects on the endbell. The cover if you will notice is also too tight fitting, making adjustments hard so you will have to sand it a bit.
If you still have the receipt and did not touch the motor yet (soldered it or used a dremel), return it and order a proper one in exchange.
Alternatively if you could care less about using a dremel on the new motor it is quite a simple "fix," just remove additional material to allow timing to go past 20. Finally, one must also consider what would happen if you do attend a ROAR race after having to dremel it (will it pass tech?)
If you still have the receipt and did not touch the motor yet (soldered it or used a dremel), return it and order a proper one in exchange.
Alternatively if you could care less about using a dremel on the new motor it is quite a simple "fix," just remove additional material to allow timing to go past 20. Finally, one must also consider what would happen if you do attend a ROAR race after having to dremel it (will it pass tech?)
The motor is designed with 30 degrees built into it when its at 0 on the endbell. So when you go to 20 you have 50 total. Not sure why they have put up to 40 on the endbell as they were never designed to go that far. I just got the 2nd batch in and they are the same. They stop at about 25 degrees. Ernie has posted on the Trinity Facebook page that its designed that way.
EA
06-08-2012, 07:37 PM
#8
Nice way to spread false information. Look on the other thread for the proper answer.
The motor is designed with 30 degrees built into it when its at 0 on the endbell. So when you go to 20 you have 50 total. Not sure why they have put up to 40 on the endbell as they were never designed to go that far. I just got the 2nd batch in and they are the same. They stop at about 25 degrees. Ernie has posted on the Trinity Facebook page that its designed that way.
EA
The motor is designed with 30 degrees built into it when its at 0 on the endbell. So when you go to 20 you have 50 total. Not sure why they have put up to 40 on the endbell as they were never designed to go that far. I just got the 2nd batch in and they are the same. They stop at about 25 degrees. Ernie has posted on the Trinity Facebook page that its designed that way.
EA
Really? Why didn't you tell us that in the other thread earlier? Why did Trinity not include that in the motor instructions so that customers don't assume that a dremel is needed and therefore a discrepancy with their design? Furthermore, what kind of incompetent decision is that to add the label up to 40 as you stated? Is this the first brushless motor Trinity designed?
I'm just extremely frustrated that I had to go through this but I guess Trinty could care less for just one customer since they haven't answered my e-mail that I submitted a week ago via their website.
The fact that we have people like you and others stating thing such as:
"The second batch of the 3.5's will be punched properly ....... The first batch were a total of 80.....The new batch will have a "more range to adjust"...."
or
"Be weary on this first batch. The timing rings are messed up and supposedly I was told they would not go past 20 degrees timing unless you dremel some stuff out. They are supposed to go to 40 degrees like the Revtechs do."
Sure makes it look like it was defective. One shouldn't have to go to FB or forums to find out that the markings on the end bell are misleading and that the motor already has enough timing built in. This is something that a manufacturer should be competent enough to inform customers of this fact on their website.
06-08-2012, 08:31 PM
#9
Really? Why didn't you tell us that in the other thread earlier? Why did Trinity not include that in the motor instructions so that customers don't assume that a dremel is needed and therefore a discrepancy with their design? Furthermore, what kind of incompetent decision is that to add the label up to 40 as you stated? Is this the first brushless motor Trinity designed?
I'm just extremely frustrated that I had to go through this but I guess Trinty could care less for just one customer since they haven't answered my e-mail that I submitted a week ago via their website.
The fact that we have people like you and others stating thing such as:
"The second batch of the 3.5's will be punched properly ....... The first batch were a total of 80.....The new batch will have a "more range to adjust"...."
or
"Be weary on this first batch. The timing rings are messed up and supposedly I was told they would not go past 20 degrees timing unless you dremel some stuff out. They are supposed to go to 40 degrees like the Revtechs do."
Sure makes it look like it was defective. One shouldn't have to go to FB or forums to find out that the markings on the end bell are misleading and that the motor already has enough timing built in. This is something that a manufacturer should be competent enough to inform customers of this fact on their website.
I'm just extremely frustrated that I had to go through this but I guess Trinty could care less for just one customer since they haven't answered my e-mail that I submitted a week ago via their website.
The fact that we have people like you and others stating thing such as:
"The second batch of the 3.5's will be punched properly ....... The first batch were a total of 80.....The new batch will have a "more range to adjust"...."
or
"Be weary on this first batch. The timing rings are messed up and supposedly I was told they would not go past 20 degrees timing unless you dremel some stuff out. They are supposed to go to 40 degrees like the Revtechs do."
Sure makes it look like it was defective. One shouldn't have to go to FB or forums to find out that the markings on the end bell are misleading and that the motor already has enough timing built in. This is something that a manufacturer should be competent enough to inform customers of this fact on their website.
[email protected] [email protected] Those are the only two people that work that with emails and one is the owner.
EA
06-08-2012, 08:39 PM
#10
Really? Why didn't you tell us that in the other thread earlier? Why did Trinity not include that in the motor instructions so that customers don't assume that a dremel is needed and therefore a discrepancy with their design? Furthermore, what kind of incompetent decision is that to add the label up to 40 as you stated? Is this the first brushless motor Trinity designed?
I'm just extremely frustrated that I had to go through this but I guess Trinty could care less for just one customer since they haven't answered my e-mail that I submitted a week ago via their website.
The fact that we have people like you and others stating thing such as:
"The second batch of the 3.5's will be punched properly ....... The first batch were a total of 80.....The new batch will have a "more range to adjust"...."
or
"Be weary on this first batch. The timing rings are messed up and supposedly I was told they would not go past 20 degrees timing unless you dremel some stuff out. They are supposed to go to 40 degrees like the Revtechs do."
Sure makes it look like it was defective. One shouldn't have to go to FB or forums to find out that the markings on the end bell are misleading and that the motor already has enough timing built in. This is something that a manufacturer should be competent enough to inform customers of this fact on their website.
I'm just extremely frustrated that I had to go through this but I guess Trinty could care less for just one customer since they haven't answered my e-mail that I submitted a week ago via their website.
The fact that we have people like you and others stating thing such as:
"The second batch of the 3.5's will be punched properly ....... The first batch were a total of 80.....The new batch will have a "more range to adjust"...."
or
"Be weary on this first batch. The timing rings are messed up and supposedly I was told they would not go past 20 degrees timing unless you dremel some stuff out. They are supposed to go to 40 degrees like the Revtechs do."
Sure makes it look like it was defective. One shouldn't have to go to FB or forums to find out that the markings on the end bell are misleading and that the motor already has enough timing built in. This is something that a manufacturer should be competent enough to inform customers of this fact on their website.
Do your own research
06-10-2012, 08:23 AM
#11
Tech Master
Really? Why didn't you tell us that in the other thread earlier? Why did Trinity not include that in the motor instructions so that customers don't assume that a dremel is needed and therefore a discrepancy with their design? Furthermore, what kind of incompetent decision is that to add the label up to 40 as you stated? Is this the first brushless motor Trinity designed?
I'm just extremely frustrated that I had to go through this but I guess Trinty could care less for just one customer since they haven't answered my e-mail that I submitted a week ago via their website.
The fact that we have people like you and others stating thing such as:
"The second batch of the 3.5's will be punched properly ....... The first batch were a total of 80.....The new batch will have a "more range to adjust"...."
or
"Be weary on this first batch. The timing rings are messed up and supposedly I was told they would not go past 20 degrees timing unless you dremel some stuff out. They are supposed to go to 40 degrees like the Revtechs do."
Sure makes it look like it was defective. One shouldn't have to go to FB or forums to find out that the markings on the end bell are misleading and that the motor already has enough timing built in. This is something that a manufacturer should be competent enough to inform customers of this fact on their website.
I'm just extremely frustrated that I had to go through this but I guess Trinty could care less for just one customer since they haven't answered my e-mail that I submitted a week ago via their website.
The fact that we have people like you and others stating thing such as:
"The second batch of the 3.5's will be punched properly ....... The first batch were a total of 80.....The new batch will have a "more range to adjust"...."
or
"Be weary on this first batch. The timing rings are messed up and supposedly I was told they would not go past 20 degrees timing unless you dremel some stuff out. They are supposed to go to 40 degrees like the Revtechs do."
Sure makes it look like it was defective. One shouldn't have to go to FB or forums to find out that the markings on the end bell are misleading and that the motor already has enough timing built in. This is something that a manufacturer should be competent enough to inform customers of this fact on their website.
And just to let you know, that quite a few brushless motor designs have built in timing (as part of the design). I know quite a few people that have tried 'retarding' the timing right back, and then gearing right up to use the torque coming from the bottom end rev range, rather than gearing down and relying on the top end rev range.
And to take that one step further, installing a smaller rotor and then using the speedo settings to get the best of both worlds (bottom end grunt from the motor, then top end speed from the advanced timing from the speedo).
Try it, but don't moan at someone that is trying to help you mate!!
06-10-2012, 11:47 AM
#12
Tech Fanatic
Really? Why didn't you tell us that in the other thread earlier? Why did Trinity not include that in the motor instructions so that customers don't assume that a dremel is needed and therefore a discrepancy with their design? Furthermore, what kind of incompetent decision is that to add the label up to 40 as you stated? Is this the first brushless motor Trinity designed?
I'm just extremely frustrated that I had to go through this but I guess Trinty could care less for just one customer since they haven't answered my e-mail that I submitted a week ago via their website.
The fact that we have people like you and others stating thing such as:
"The second batch of the 3.5's will be punched properly ....... The first batch were a total of 80.....The new batch will have a "more range to adjust"...."
or
"Be weary on this first batch. The timing rings are messed up and supposedly I was told they would not go past 20 degrees timing unless you dremel some stuff out. They are supposed to go to 40 degrees like the Revtechs do."
Sure makes it look like it was defective. One shouldn't have to go to FB or forums to find out that the markings on the end bell are misleading and that the motor already has enough timing built in. This is something that a manufacturer should be competent enough to inform customers of this fact on their website.
I'm just extremely frustrated that I had to go through this but I guess Trinty could care less for just one customer since they haven't answered my e-mail that I submitted a week ago via their website.
The fact that we have people like you and others stating thing such as:
"The second batch of the 3.5's will be punched properly ....... The first batch were a total of 80.....The new batch will have a "more range to adjust"...."
or
"Be weary on this first batch. The timing rings are messed up and supposedly I was told they would not go past 20 degrees timing unless you dremel some stuff out. They are supposed to go to 40 degrees like the Revtechs do."
Sure makes it look like it was defective. One shouldn't have to go to FB or forums to find out that the markings on the end bell are misleading and that the motor already has enough timing built in. This is something that a manufacturer should be competent enough to inform customers of this fact on their website.
As with all BL motors, you need to look inside and see where the hall sensors are relative to top dead centre. On some motors (e.g. HPI Flux) they are barely 10 degrees before TDC, on others (like GM) they are at 30 degrees before TDC - all marked as 'zero'. As has been stated on many occasions, and experienced on the track, anything more than 60 degrees BTDC and you are just generating heat, not power.
If any or all of that was double-dutch to you, then stop typing and start listening to people who do know what they are talking about. Next you'll be telling me that you are returning your new car because it won't get as much negative camber adjustment as other cars...
Thanks for the heads-up EA... in both threads!!
06-10-2012, 01:15 PM
#13
Tech Master
You need to believe in the saying that it is better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
As with all BL motors, you need to look inside and see where the hall sensors are relative to top dead centre. On some motors (e.g. HPI Flux) they are barely 10 degrees before TDC, on others (like GM) they are at 30 degrees before TDC - all marked as 'zero'. As has been stated on many occasions, and experienced on the track, anything more than 60 degrees BTDC and you are just generating heat, not power.
If any or all of that was double-dutch to you, then stop typing and start listening to people who do know what they are talking about. Next you'll be telling me that you are returning your new car because it won't get as much negative camber adjustment as other cars...
Thanks for the heads-up EA... in both threads!!
As with all BL motors, you need to look inside and see where the hall sensors are relative to top dead centre. On some motors (e.g. HPI Flux) they are barely 10 degrees before TDC, on others (like GM) they are at 30 degrees before TDC - all marked as 'zero'. As has been stated on many occasions, and experienced on the track, anything more than 60 degrees BTDC and you are just generating heat, not power.
If any or all of that was double-dutch to you, then stop typing and start listening to people who do know what they are talking about. Next you'll be telling me that you are returning your new car because it won't get as much negative camber adjustment as other cars...
Thanks for the heads-up EA... in both threads!!
06-12-2012, 08:27 AM
#14
Alright guys, I'm the original poster and thank you for the replies, well some lol. I want to know if setting the motor at 10 which would be 40 total timing is the max you can go on this without just buildin heat? Or can I turn this to the 20 mark which is as far as it will turn which supposedly is 50 degrees timing. Is that to much? Thank you!
06-12-2012, 08:41 AM
#15
Alright guys, I'm the original poster and thank you for the replies, well some lol. I want to know if setting the motor at 10 which would be 40 total timing is the max you can go on this without just buildin heat? Or can I turn this to the 20 mark which is as far as it will turn which supposedly is 50 degrees timing. Is that to much? Thank you!