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Old 05-24-2012, 12:22 AM   #1
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Default Why did Tamiya make the TT-01 rather than continue TB series

Why did Tamiya make the TT-01 series as opposed to continued evolusion of the TB series. Thread is dedicated to the discussion about why tamiya did what they did.



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Old 05-24-2012, 12:57 AM   #2
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The TT-01 is a completely different design approach compared to the TB. The TT-01 is exceptionally simple and therefore cheap to produce.

Tamiya have also released TB cars since the TT-01. The TB-03.
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TB series was/is currently being developed... TB-01 to the current TB-03 as well as TB-Evo (last version being th Evo5 MS) versions in between.

TT-01 is a beginner's car... as said above, its a simple no fuss kit... just dump your electronics on it and go...


maybe you have your question the other way around? The TT01 has far less development with very minor upgrades... TT01, TT01R, TT01D, TT01E, TT01E TypeR
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The TT01 did and still continues to contribute towards Tamiya's success.....I am sure they will not be in a hurry to drop it.

Most people start with one and then grow from there and also then in most cases will stay with the brand by purchasing another Tamiya chassis.

I started with a TA04 about ten years ago but have since owned 10 or 11 TT01's! Currently have two, one setup for drifting and the other for TCS races. They are just such nice little chassis to work on and run.


There is also a bit of a price difference in the TT and TB series, but like was already mentioned the TT is aimed at the beginner to intermediate whereas the TB would be intermediate to advanced!
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TT-01 is a beginner's car... as said above, its a simple no fuss kit... just dump your electronics on it and go...
Or not even that - TT-01 is also their RTR car that they keep throwing a new shell on to suit the current market - Sports cars, rally cars, GT, touring, whatever the flavour of the month is to keep sales ticking over.
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The thing I never understood about the tt-01 is that it came with a plastic center shaft. WHY?!?!
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The thing I never understood about the tt-01 is that it came with a plastic center shaft. WHY?!?!
All about price point, as said before entry level.
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TL and TT chassis are aimed at newbies and beginners to RC.

TA series is for more experienced RC'ers and club-level racers.

Simple as that. Different chassis for different areas of the market. The better question would be, why haven't other manufacturers made chassis for the same area?

Schumacher re-released the Mission as the Mi1.
Associated re-released the TC4 as the TC4.
HPI do the Sprint 2 but its only RTR, no chassis-only option.
OFNA do the JL10E but that is 200mm so not for regular TC racing.
Xray do the T3R.
3Racing do the Sakura Zero S.

All are $200 upwards though (apart from the JL10E I think).

What else is there? Nothing from HB anymore, no Losi, no Yokomo, no Corally, no Serpent (though one is on the way), one design above is 2 years old, and the others are 5-6+ years old.
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TL and TT chassis are aimed at newbies and beginners to RC.

TA series is for more experienced RC'ers and club-level racers.

Simple as that. Different chassis for different areas of the market. The better question would be, why haven't other manufacturers made chassis for the same area?

Schumacher re-released the Mission as the Mi1.
Associated re-released the TC4 as the TC4.
HPI do the Sprint 2 but its only RTR, no chassis-only option.
OFNA do the JL10E but that is 200mm so not for regular TC racing.
Xray do the T3R.
3Racing do the Sakura Zero S.

All are $200 upwards though (apart from the JL10E I think).

What else is there? Nothing from HB anymore, no Losi, no Yokomo, no Corally, no Serpent (though one is on the way), one design above is 2 years old, and the others are 5-6+ years old.
Sakura Zero S is just over $100
TC-4 "club racer" is $149

TA-05 is around $190 and TB-03 is around $135 at speedtechrc

TT01 is basically a toy grade rc that you can change parts on. Most newbs just look at the pretty shells, so of course Tamiya has sold a ton of them and will continue to do so. They prey on ignorance. So do several other companies. TT01 is only good for bashing and racing other TT01s, no matter how much money you sink into one.
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Exellent discussion.

What is the differences in design between the TT-01 and the TB-03?
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TT-01 and TB-03?

Lots of differences:
plastics used are different (stronger and lighter on the TB03)
tap screws (TT01) vs M3 screws (TB03) possible to use hex screws
TB03 uses reversible suspension arms (from TA05) unlike TT01
TT01 has dedicated (and limited) spur and pinion gears
lots of slop on TT01 vs TB03
TT01 is heavier
TT01 has far more hop ups from Tamiya and aftermarket rc companies
TT01 has cheaper parts
handling is different (better on TB03 obviously)
TT01 has more bling potential (shinny hop ups)
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TT01 definitely has it's place due to the 'pretty shells'. Where else can you get a realistic looking car for sub-$100?
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Exellent discussion.

What is the differences in design between the TT-01 and the TB-03?
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Sakura Zero S is just over $100
TC-4 "club racer" is $149

TA-05 is around $190 and TB-03 is around $135 at speedtechrc

TT01 is basically a toy grade rc that you can change parts on. Most newbs just look at the pretty shells, so of course Tamiya has sold a ton of them and will continue to do so. They prey on ignorance. So do several other companies. TT01 is only good for bashing and racing other TT01s, no matter how much money you sink into one.
I take exception to your ignorance comment. I have been involved off and on in R/C since the early 80's. Cost has always been a factor and then the phase more dollars than common sense comes to mind for many so-called R/C Enthusiastic.

Another area they prey on as I said people with more money than sense, buying a $500 copy of Marc Reinhardt's car is NOT going to automatically make you local track champion.

It just shows people you have a Gold Card burning a hole in your pocket.

As for the TT's competitiveness, its more about the nut behind the wheel, than the car's lack of adjustable features and/or gearing limitations.

Yes it does better when racing against cars of equal value/design IE: other shaft drive cars.

Belt-driven cars are overrated and I generally view them like buying these impossibly fast street cars (hyper cars) and 1000+cc super bikes. 99% of the owners never take them to the track. Just as 99% of TRF-417 owners don't race (successfully) at the National level in their country...

Quiet as kept, the truth is plenty of practice and you can win club racing with sub $200 tub chassis cars....

Preying on ignorance goes BOTH WAYS.
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TT01 definitely has it's place due to the 'pretty shells'. Where else can you get a realistic looking car for sub-$100?
Exceed and Red Cat drift cars and even racers sport either realistic Ford Mustang, 370Z JGTC and Lexus SC400 style bodies.

All offer full bearings and oil shocks for the price of one of Tamiya's self-built kits. Tamiya Subie 2008 WRC runs $150+ in most places. RC Mart looks cheap until you add in shipping... You can get a Red Cat Grip Car for $150 RTR.'

That being said, those new to the hobby making the upgrade from typical Toy R Us and Wal-Mart offerings, usually they or their parents aren't interested in spending a ton of money.

Most toy R/C's are 1/24 and smaller. Losi 1/24 cars cost three/four times as much but go ten times faster. Tamiya even started the whole smaller scale realistic thing with Tam-tech cars way before the majors in America "figured it out".

I think we can all agree than this hobby is unnecessarily expensive at times.

At least racing in TCS and in most club events doesn't require a fancy pants $250 belt drive car.
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