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Old 04-17-2012, 12:20 PM   #16
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And people thought foam tires were just such a huge problem. LOL.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:04 PM   #17
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And people thought foam tires were just such a huge problem. LOL.
I agree. I wish some people I new that tell me Rubber is cheaper were watching this.....

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Old 04-17-2012, 01:43 PM   #18
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Please please please go back to running foam and going fast. This rubber-tire stuff is getting to where the cost advantage (which I assume was why it happened in the first place, I've heard a few other stories though) is evaporating while all of the bad parts like having cars that are super-sensitive to tuning changes, hard to drive, and even harder to save from big crashes when you mess up remain. I liked foam, it was fun.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:03 PM   #19
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Read the rules folks.

Sorex 36 with medium red insert, no tire treatment.
3 sets Sorex + 1 set XG-RAIN Pit Shimizu (1 package) available from the Organizer for 100 Euro.
The part number for the slick will be XG-36SR.
2 Sets for the race and 1 set for the free practice.

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Old 04-17-2012, 02:08 PM   #20
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Yes, weight was changed to 1380 g
Tyres will be Sorex 36.
This info has been on the Worlds website for some time.

http://www.ifmar2012worlds.com/
http://www.machheemstede.nl/wc2012/i...ws/latest-news

My personal opinion is that no tyre additive is the right way forward for the class. We should all get away from having to play with chemicals on our tyres, just think about it... But of course that requires a tyre that will work decent from the first lap without any additive. So it needs preparation and time to get it right.

Therefore not right to experiment with rules like this at the worlds first. Do the homework first, then introduce the rule...

But I suspect it will all be ok in the end. As long as the club at MACH and EFRA/IFMAR understand the need to prepare the track so that the chosen tyre will work. What worries me slightly is the choice of the 36 Sorex. This might be too hard a tyre. A 32 Sorex will work decent without any preparation so I would have thought that to be a better choice.

Finally, the F1 teams currently has to figure out how to get the tricky Pirelli tyres to work and they find it hard. In the same way the Worlds racers and teams has to figure out how to get the most from these tyres under the new rules. It will be a challenge...but it's up to each to get the best out of them, if you do, you will be rewarded. Many RC racers are too picky about the tyres and conditions, that they have to work perfect always seems to be the norm. But it's not like this in the real racing world either. Racing is not always perfect grip, perfect conditions. Just get on with it...
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:38 PM   #21
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When they say no additives, does that include homemade ones too??? What about water, saliva ??? Hope they reconsider !
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Pure racing and setup skills can do without additives. So go prove your skills. and stop whining
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:04 AM   #23
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I think the laptimes will be an interesting thing to watch throughout the racing.

As for not allowing additive... hmm. With potentially less grip, I see potential for more crashing due to understeer
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This is why the only race worth spending any money on is the IIC.
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As an outsider looking in I wonder how many of the respondents are actually qualified to race at an IFMAR worlds event ?
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T Tom, don't know about anyone else - but I am! As I said, no problem with what it was they were trying to achieve (i.e get rid of the secret funky tyre treatments), but I don't think no treatment at all is the right way of going about it.
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As an outsider looking in I wonder how many of the respondents are actually qualified to race at an IFMAR worlds event ?
If we're including Rick in the "respondents are actually qualified to race at an IFMAR worlds event" I'd say the count is, well, 1.
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I know of only one other race where tire treatment was banned and that was one of the recent Reedy Race of Champions events. I don't remember the year but it was the first year away from Tamiya. So 2007 or 2008.

We had actually tested this prior to the race and there was absolutely no problems with running no additive. Of course the track was treated as it normally is and the tire was the correct tire for the the hot track.

Unfortunately the 80-85F temps (130+ F track temps) that were the norm that time of year did not happen due to a freak storm and we ended up with 50F temperatures (it was over 100F the weekend prior) and because of rain had to do a lot of running at night. This was not even so bad because the tires would grip they just needed to be warmed by running. The starts of the races had to be taken carefully.

The difference is that you were allowed to use a new set every run. This to create better racing as the RROC is all heads up racing and supposed to be a show.

One can argue that the Worlds is the top of the ladder and you should get as many tires as you want. But with that argument why have a spec/handout tire? Why not run whatever you want? I personally don't feel that the racing will be affected much by no additive and even less so by using tires 6 times (if you split their use equally).

I don't think that the racing will be affected much and the same guys will shine whether they get 2 sets or 10 sets.

FYI I would rather the drivers get one set for qualifying and one set for mains if they are set on allowing two sets.
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want to buy ISTC Efra rules for 1/8 Track

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