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Old 04-16-2012, 04:24 PM   #31
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I agree the money wouldn't be an issue for drivers but it would be the manfacturers who would feel "left out."
It would be the same as it was when we had hand out motors before. The MFGs would have to bid on it and the one would win for that race. This isnt going to hurt their sales they are still going to sell product outside of the event. I mean there was races that used the Reedy FireHawk as a hand out motor yet Trinity, Orion etc still sold all kinds of motors. And really this is going on right now with the ETS...do you see Orion, LRP or Novak complaining about it because SpeedPassion is doing this for the ETS?

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To buy the motor (and its yours for the entire series to use if you return it at the end of the race and your only allowed one unless you blow it up) it was 50.00 Euro (about 65.00) If you were not coming back to another event you could take it with you if you bought it. To rent it I think it was 10 Euro. Speedo was same to buy or rent. Speedo you did not have to return if you bought it.

Entry fee was 50 Euro and came with a set of tires I believe.

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So the Entry fee was about 65 US dollars...WOW there is something really wrong here in the US if they are able to get all this done over there and the races here the entry fee is sometimes double or more then that. Hats off to them they got something done right....sucks to be anyone here in the US looking at this from the outside now.
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Old 04-16-2012, 04:31 PM   #32
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there was this one old guy on a thread a while back suggesting just this very thing.

its a great idea. gets that playing field just a little more level. (of course, not many really want that)
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Old 04-16-2012, 04:35 PM   #33
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there was this one old guy on a thread a while back suggesting just this very thing.

its a great idea. gets that playing field just a little more level. (of course, not many really want that)
Even disregarding the level playing field (which doesn't matter to me) it could be cheaper for the racer AND take some "headaches" away in terms of buying/testing electronics.

Show up, pay a reasonable fee, and burn laps.... sounds good to me. If I get stuck with junk electronics at least everyone else is, too
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i think we worry too much about what is in the car instead of teaching how to tune the car ...

Skil land knowledge can not be regulated and these are the two most important things to be a great racer.

We try too much to regulate everything and don't foster the idea of getting good and building the skills.
I believe with a handout speedo and motor .. your left with setup and driving .. this would foster the core ideas your trying to promote which I am a fan of.
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It reminded me about why Europe/Asia can have SKYLINE GT-R , Subaru 22B, Mitshibitshi EVO like 10+ years before US imported them recently....does American cannot afford them? Or we cannot handle that kinda power or we don't have the road for these import?

There is always the SOMEONE preventing this happening...and that has to do with MONEY and PROFIT.....
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Even disregarding the level playing field (which doesn't matter to me) it could be cheaper for the racer AND take some "headaches" away in terms of buying/testing electronics.

Show up, pay a reasonable fee, and burn laps.... sounds good to me. If I get stuck with junk electronics at least everyone else is, too
They Citrix is far from junk. I put it in at home after the birds and went faster with it than my other stuff. It's so much easier to drive. Just super smooth and works.

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Old 04-16-2012, 05:01 PM   #37
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I wouldn't be opposed to this, I actually think if done right, it could improve the numbers racing and trying to race. The cheaper the class, the more likely to see someone try it.... I've seen that first hand where we race. It's hard to get new people to try a $400 kit plus all the electronics. We're talking about doing a locked motor, blinky (non-programmable preffered) esc class. Our goal is to get people in and racing competitively on a relative budget. I priced everything out including a new TC4 kit or sakura zero S and you can get all in with decent equipment for around $400.

Personally, I have two Novak Edge's. I really like the feel of the ESC. The problem I have is with the programming. If you can remember the order of the blinking lights for all of the different settings, you're good to go. However, I don't know anyone who can. I generally also have a book to help, but in a pinch right before the start of the race you could be SOL. Been there, done that. My only request with a ESC handout like this, is that for the programming options that are there, its simple to use. For example (Cirtix, HobbyWing Justock) should have a programming card to simplify drag brake and other adjustments people may use. I can say that in blinky, my novak has been just as competitive as my LRP SXX in both touring and 1/12.

It's a great idea, but I can see several locals unwilling to race this way. We'd have to work on that, as would everywhere else. Different tracks can run different classes, so it'd be hard to say, we're running this class throughout the country, and this only.... like their locked motor and handout esc class.
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I think its a great idea. I already run a cirtix stock in 17.5 blinky. Best 60 bucks I have spent.
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I'd like to see races like the RCR Endurance Series 1 race.

I can't add URLs, so you will have to search youtube for it

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I like it. A handshake agreement from the major event holders, a closed bid for ESC and motor combo from the mfgs and the ameture class is set for the next year. Race it and get practice locally and be ready for a large event when and if the time comes.
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It's a terrible idea !!!! Why not spec everything: the Car , the radio, the wires, the Bearings in the Car, the Car polish......etc... Too much spec kills everything.. It sounds like SOCIALISM to me.... No way baby!!! If the cirtix is better than your other stuff, then get it, but don't force others to cough up $60 because it worked for you OK !!!! By the way, people that complained then , will keep complaining now, and in the future ! I like to be able to choose what I buy, and not follow what Europeans do at every turn !!! The sucking up must stop !
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It's a terrible idea !!!! Why not spec everything: the Car , the radio, the wires, the Bearings in the Car, the Car polish......etc... Too much spec kills everything.. It sounds like SOCIALISM to me.... No way baby!!! If the cirtix is better than your other stuff, then get it, but don't force others to cough up $60 because it worked for you OK !!!! By the way, people that complained then , will keep complaining now, and in the future ! I like to be able to choose what I buy, and not follow what Europeans do at every turn !!! The sucking up must stop !
You're correct yet again, why would we want to follow the Europeans just because they've figured it out and their on-road racing draws more racers
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I only like it because it makes tech at events FAR easier. Personally, I'd still prefer to choose my own speedo, rather than having to have a "one from each brand" scenario like the bid process could create. I'm not too keen on the idea of renting an ESC someone else has already driven in anger. Electronics are finicky........
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I know you are not comparing Europe to America ! We have far more diversity , and less time as a nation to figure it all out, but we have always done things our way regardless of whether the European way worked for them or not... Nothing's stopping you from joining them buddy ....
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I know you are not comparing Europe to America ! We have far more diversity , and less time as a nation to figure it all out, but we have always done things our way regardless of whether the European way worked for them or not... Nothing's stopping you from joining them buddy ....
And your the type of a-hole that will ruin this thread. I asked for logical and constructive answers. None of which you seem to be able to comprehend or put in a sentence.

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