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Old 03-08-2012, 08:41 PM   #16
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Xray is like Bentley, but Ford...what?!

Anyways, of the high end RC's, I'd say Associated ranks pretty low to average in terms of quality. I've had a few Associated products recently and I've never been too overly satisfied with the quality.
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Does the TC6.1 use metric or imperial nuts and bolts?
If it uses imperial like my SC10 I would stay well away from it... it's the biggest pain in the bum ever!

Talking to the guys at my track about the TC's, most of them run either the T3 or the TC6.1 and when they are racing they are pretty even.
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The tc6.1 spares are cheaper and they are easy to get too.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:53 PM   #19
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I believe as of recently, Associated has been switching to metric for new kits. For the TC6.1, it should be metric. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
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It took a light hit and the center pulley (not sure how else to call it) fell apart, not because of how it was put together but because of the design. As I put it back together (which took me a while and was not happy with the way everything was fit. It was designed around speed and low center of gravity, which is great!!!!!! But if you hit it the wrong way, all falls apart. Maybe the new T3 is better and doesn't have the same design flaws IMO.
I have owned a T2-008 and T3. I feel that they are the tanks of RC cars. In my 4 yrs of driving them, I have only changed a few parts due to wear and tear or after a 'very hard' crash. Other than that, there is nothing to replace as the parts are very durable and the QC is very high. Thus, I still recommend you to try the T3 (or T3-2012).

You mentioned that your T2 was bought used, perhaps the center pulley was not built properly to begin with. Anyway, the T3 now has these 2 rubber stoppers, screwed on top of the pulley bearings, thus preventing the center pulley from flying off in case the upper deck breaks.

I have never tried serpent or AE, so no comments there.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:56 PM   #21
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A lot of the cars will perform very similarly, not any true dud cars around now, you can say one does X better than another, but in truth that is likely more about setup than anything, some come out the box with a tried and true set that may suit your track better than another.

Xrays seem masters at general setups which work well everywhere, which seems to sell them many cars, even given the often gob smacking prices.

411 is fairly new, few kit revisions, the say fairly well built and work well if you know how to get them working for you, cheap on parts.

TC6.1 is nicer than the 6, they fixed some issues, seems to drive better out of the box, build quality issues has always been their problem, bloody cheap on parts though, many said the original springs were crap, I think they have a revised set for the 6.1.

There are some other options just as nice, Tamiya still wins worlds and many euro and other events, expensive to buy but parts are remarkably cheap, from what I have seen though it's not a popular car in the USA.

TOP Photon really is not a bad car at all either, it's what I own, very well built, kit price is cheap, parts cost more than a Serpent or TA though, new version is due out end of this month.
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What a bunch of TC junkies I hang out with. You know we all would have three of every kit mentioned in this thread if we just had the room or the money.

I love Yokomo, but I can't get parts for them and at nearly Six Hundred bucks for the BD5, I could almost have two TC6.1 kits. I loved my S400 but we all know what happened with that. I have been afraid to go to the S411 even though I am sure they got the parts support worked out. TOP everyone I know who has one loves it. I've never driven one. I have plenty of X-Ray T3 fans around here too and they are solid performers.
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Again just get damn car spend time working on setup, practice and you will be just fine any of this car is capable of winning but it will be up to driver how you going to make this car your own!!!! I've driven tamiya, xray, yokomo, associated, Schumacher, Team magic etc... You spend time making the car your own and how you want to handle on track you will be just fine... I'm always a yokomo fan but parts support is hard here in U.S so now I'm driving associated I worked on the car to my liking now it's untouchable at my local track on MOD class...
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From my experience personally and what I see at the track, your mileage may vary.

Xray T3 is going to be the most durable of the 3. TC 6.1 is the least durable, S411 is in the middle, but closer to the T3.

T3 parts are the most expensive, 6.1 the cheapest, S411 in the middle, and also closer to the T3.

T3 is the most common and best represented, 6.1 the least, and Serpent again in the middle.

Somewhat of a trend going on here...

Reading what you have for goals, I think it depends on what the fast guys are driving at your track, and the fast guys that share their setups and help others with theirs. At our track, we have a very very fast Xray driver who is an expert on setups, and has been very helpful at sharing that information with everyone else. If you buy a T3, sit with him for a couple hours, you will have one of the fastest cars on the track. Whether you can drive it is another story, but the car will not be the issue holding you back. Before he started coming to the track, yes the top 2 guys were driving Xray's, but neither of them would help anyone, or share any setup information.

Follow the guys that will help you. Not just that drive fast and know how to set up a car, but those that will spend the time to help you set up yours. That is the car you should get.
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I had the 417x, great car, but not for carpet, then got the s411 and amazing car, 1.2 sec faster then the 417x , my sister got me a t3 2012, and really I would have to say the s411 is still better, I ended up selling my s411, needed the money got laid off, and cannot sell the t3 yet as its a present, but once I sell it, I,ll get the s411 again for sure, there is also a new serpent s411 team kit out you might want to look at, the serpent car is truly a master piece, and well built car, I also have a tc6 and its a basher for my little guy to drive, and its a good car, but you will be happy with a s411, and its also cheaper then the t3
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Really, all of the cars are a great option. But if your just getting into On Road.. or back into... then get a car that you can get help with. Sure, all of the setup is similar, but when your sturggling and can have someone help you that is running the same car... that could be the difference between you sticking with it.. or selling it...
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Really, all of the cars are a great option. But if your just getting into On Road.. or back into... then get a car that you can get help with. Sure, all of the setup is similar, but when your sturggling and can have someone help you that is running the same car... that could be the difference between you sticking with it.. or selling it...
I hate asking others for help because I feel like a burden. I am alone at this hobby, which sucks, but what can I do? I have to figure everything out on my own.

Looks like the only choice I have is the T3, even though I am sure the TC6.1 is right up there, spending that $100 extra won't break me and I will be happier knowing I have something of top quality.

Thanks for all the help everyone! If someone has some input please add to it. I am sure I am not the only one that can't decide between these 3 (and others)
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I hate asking others for help because I feel like a burden. I am alone at this hobby, which sucks, but what can I do? I have to figure everything out on my own.

Looks like the only choice I have is the T3, even though I am sure the TC6.1 is right up there, spending that $100 extra won't break me and I will be happier knowing I have something of top quality.

Thanks for all the help everyone! If someone has some input please add to it. I am sure I am not the only one that can't decide between these 3 (and others)
Pick the car that will make you happy overall, because whether your winning or loosing you'll still have the car that makes you happy. You'll notice if your happy if the car is easy for you to work on and also if there are others around you that have the same car that you can get feedback on. A car that you can share setups with racers around you is also important. Also hang out with several drivers with different cars and notice there energy and attitude. It is best IMHO to also choose the car that the drivers that are having a good time and keeping it positive. Nothing's worse than getting a car but the other drivers who have that same car are not the guys you want to hang out with and so forth. Racing is ultimately a state of mind like anything in life so have a big picture when deciding on a RC purchase just like you would any purchase or decision

I have a TC6 right now. I've just got back into TC. The other guys that have TC6/TC6.1's are very positive and sharing with their info. They seem to have fun and be happy with their cars which is why I choose the TC6

If I we're to get a new car I would in this order:

1. TC6.1
2. Xray12 or TCX <--- Close one
3. Tamiya 417

All I'm saying is get the car that the group driving the car is happy and having fun even if there not winning. There's more to racing than winning. The camaraderie and happyness while doing this sport is also important

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Old 03-09-2012, 02:06 PM   #29
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ive been involved in this hobby for quite a while and personally i like to be different so from the choices above I would be in the serpent,but my next tc is going to be the new photon ex when it arrives!
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Xray is like Ford ROFL..........
Actually I drive a Chevy 4X4. Really The X-ray will take the abuse well. It's a fast car right out of the box also. Alot of your choice will depend on your LHS also. you need to run a car that is easy to get parts for. If most guys are running X-Ray...then go with that. Most sponsored guys are suppose to share their set-ups and tips to help everyone. If you can make someone faster....it will make you work harder to get faster. I've been doing this for such a long time...and helping people and having fun racing is the way to go. Not too many guys get paid for this. it's suppose to be all about sportsmanship. Good luck!
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