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Old 01-16-2005, 04:08 PM   #1
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Exclamation The only reason for the increasing costs involved in keeping up this hobby......

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Increased battery capacities, everything thing else flows from that.

Personally I wish they had never increased beyond 1700 mah packs then apart from Esc makers trying to get the best out of them and more efficient drive trains the costs would be way less than they are now.

Edit: I point to some race results where I have seen (and I am sure you have to) Pro stock lap times being within say 1-1 1/2 laps of mod and 540 stock only half a lap behind that at most. Is 3 or 4 times the cost for batteries really worth that "speed fix"?

Perhaps in Mod the difference in laps is greater (depending on driver skill required) but in Pro stock it's just not worth it.

I checked the NZ 2004 on-road results and I noticed that the top 540 winner (going by lap times) would have placed 7th in Pro stock.

So if anything I guess I'm saying 3300/3600 etc should only be allowed in mod.

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The 4-cell thread and the dumbing downt he hobby thread weren't enough? I can see this thread leading to another argument
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Personally I wish they had never increased beyond 1700 mah
FYI, if you don't recall, 1700 mAh SCRC packs were more expensive than todays best GP packs and the older cells didn't last as long as todays gear.
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FYI, if you don't recall, 1700 mAh SCRC packs were more expensive than todays best GP packs and the older cells didn't last as long as todays gear.
Actually never owned a 1700 pack so I wouldn't know about that so I'll take your word for it.

Ok then limit anything but mod to 1500 non matched packs (and perhaps mod to 3300 and 8 minutes which would effectively slow them down to last and reduce wear some what).

It works out the same. As for not lasting that's more down to how you look after them.

I got 4th in 4wd stock off-road using 1200 mah packs that were 3 years old back in the day as an example.

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Old 01-16-2005, 04:50 PM   #5
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The 4-cell thread and the dumbing downt he hobby thread weren't enough? I can see this thread leading to another argument
Haven't read the 4 cell thread and only a couple of the first few posts on the dumbing down thread but why go down to 4 cells (that requires re building any existing 6 cell packs and maybe a new charger or Esc) just lower the capacity allowed.

"Dear god please grant me the knowledge to improve what I have and the wisedom when to use it." <<< or something like that anyway I read it somewhere.

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Old 01-16-2005, 05:01 PM   #6
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I agree, I tried to make a few points in the "dumbing down" thread but it seemed the only posts that got any comments were the ones that were arguementative...seems like most are just looking to pick fights. Just my opinion.
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Old 01-16-2005, 05:03 PM   #7
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I agree, I tried to make a few points in the "dumbing down" thread but it seemed the only posts that got any comments were the ones that were arguementative...seems like most are just looking to pick fights. Just my opinion.
Well I'm not looking to pick any fights I assure you, why would I when I know I'm right. Sorry couldn't help that second bit.
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Hehe, I posted a couple in the dumbing down thread also. But took my subscription off that thread after a day. All I say is run what ya brung and have fun!!!!
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Hehe, I think everyone should voice their opinion....you never know when an idea will catch on or make sense to the masses!!
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The problem is that we are a small segment of the market for the battery manufactures. If they improve their cell design and intorduce a higher capacity model, the lower capacity model will be discontinued shortly thereafter.
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Old 01-16-2005, 05:20 PM   #11
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The problem is that we are a small segment of the market for the battery manufactures. If they improve their cell design and intorduce a higher capacity model, the lower capacity model will be discontinued shortly thereafter.
Still there must be some way around it in that, just because they increase capacity doesn't mean we have to try and use it.

If manufacturers knew that racers weren't going to use more than a certain capacity then surely they would keep making them, after all you can still get 1400/1500 packs.

For example I purchased 9x1500 packs at roughly $9 each to race in stock if they didn't still make lower capacity batteries I wouldn't even be back in the hobby.

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is simple,

Increased battery capacities, everything thing else flows from that.

Personally I wish they had never increased beyond 1700 mah packs then apart from Esc makers trying to get the best out of them and more efficient drive trains the costs would be way less than they are now.

Edit: I point to some race results where I have seen (and I am sure you have to) Pro stock lap times being within say 1-1 1/2 laps of mod and 540 stock only half a lap behind that at most. Is 3 or 4 times the cost for batteries really worth that "speed fix"?

Perhaps in Mod the difference in laps is greater (depending on driver skill required) but in Pro stock it's just not worth it.

I checked the NZ 2004 on-road results and I noticed that the top 540 winner (going by lap times) would have placed 7th in Pro stock.

So if anything I guess I'm saying 3300/3600 etc should only be allowed in mod.
Noting what DDesrosiers said about the price of the new cells being LOWER than the old cells were in the day, and what youhave posted indicating that you don't need the latest and best motor to turn competitive laps....

and that youcan get INTO RC now for less than ever before due to the RTR craze and competitive cars now being packaged this way instead of just 'toy level stuff'.....

The ONLY reason the hobby gets more expensive is that it's not as humbling for people to blame their finishing position on their GEAR than it is for them to accept the fact that their line was sloppy, they used the wrong tire compound, they didn't properly set up the car, they've been lazy with the maintenance, etc....

The reason it's expensive is people buy new stuff instead of working to make their old stuff perform....and the old stuff CAN perform according to your quoted race results
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For example I purchased 9x1500 packs at roughly $9 each to race in stock if they didn't still make lower capacity batteries I wouldn't even be back in the hobby.
9 packs * $9/pack = $81 for that you could have gotten 1 team level pack of GP 3300's....2 GOOD 3300's...or 3 club level packs...all of which would give you better performance...

Options 2 and 3 would also provide you with enough battery to make it through most racedays
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Noting what DDesrosiers said about the price of the new cells being LOWER than the old cells were in the day, and what youhave posted indicating that you don't need the latest and best motor to turn competitive laps....

and that youcan get INTO RC now for less than ever before due to the RTR craze and competitive cars now being packaged this way instead of just 'toy level stuff'.....

The ONLY reason the hobby gets more expensive is that it's not as humbling for people to blame their finishing position on their GEAR than it is for them to accept the fact that their line was sloppy, they used the wrong tire compound, they didn't properly set up the car, they've been lazy with the maintenance, etc....

The reason it's expensive is people buy new stuff instead of working to make their old stuff perform....and the old stuff CAN perform according to your quoted race results
laziness then I am inclined to agree with you. Up to a point of course. lol
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9 packs * $9/pack = $81 for that you could have gotten 1 team level pack of GP 3300's....2 GOOD 3300's...or 3 club level packs...all of which would give you better performance...

Options 2 and 3 would also provide you with enough battery to make it through most racedays
If I was racing mod but there is one thing I never liked doing and that's using a battery twice in one day. I still think the cost could be kept way down in Pro stock with my battery idea.
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