SWEEP vs SOREX
02-02-2012, 08:40 AM
#17
Posts with results are great, but as mentioned, that was at his track, it also doesn't mention what inserts were in the Sorex's etc as they are available with different inserts.
At our track brand new Sorex 32's were worth 0.3s per lap.
Since we had it resurfaced the overall race pace is slightly quicker (the asphalt was 20yrs old) but now new tyres are slightly slower and some of us have found that after the first run Sorex's are consistant until the canvas is showing. Superb, it's now cheaper to race
Haven't had a chance to run Ride's but a friend who tried Sweep 32's with Pink insert said they were crap and were heavily worn after 1 run (those same Sweep tyres/inserts are great on carpet with huge amounts of grip.
Each track surface will be slightly different so you actually need to test properly and see what happens.
Skiddins
02-02-2012, 08:52 AM
#18
02-02-2012, 08:39 PM
#21
Used both keeping runtime, tire rotation, wear, and performance characteristic notes on each....Sorex, Hands down.
02-02-2012, 08:53 PM
#22
Posts with results are great, but as mentioned, that was at his track, it also doesn't mention what inserts were in the Sorex's etc as they are available with different inserts.
Each track surface will be slightly different so you actually need to test properly and see what happens.
Skiddins
Each track surface will be slightly different so you actually need to test properly and see what happens.
Skiddins
We also have a driver who's a bit of a set-up tinkerer (our fast guy in sedan), and I've seen him turn identical times with both, after some set-up adjustments.
Point being, set-up testing is still key........
02-03-2012, 01:09 AM
#23
Tech Adept
Thread Starter
last 2 weeks i have done some testing. S411, 3.5T with boost and turbo.
i have tried many tyre.
Edge 36R
Solaris M and H
sweep 36R
Sweep 40R
Sorex 36
Ride 36R
all tyres new, all tyres about 20 mins with warmers.
Edge gave me 16.9
Sweep 36R 16.5
Sweep 40R 16.2
Sorex 36 15.6
then following week
same track different conditions
Solaris M and H , i pulled the car off the track, or the marshall did.
Sweep 36R 17.2
Sweep 40R 16.9
Sorex 36 16.7
Ride 36R 16.2
for our track, we have used sorex 36 most of last year. this was our controlled tyre for the Nationals. they definaltey work well. however, our track, 3rd run, and they just cant cut it. they are slow. First run on sorex and i dont think you will find a better tyre.
Ride 36R
times i thaught were slow, 17.0 16.7 and i think after the 6th run with the tyres 16.2 . i did 8 runs with the rides and also had others use them to try.
and i got them back i think after 10 runs, and still was able to hit 16.5 . these tyres just last. they are slowish to start with, but after a couple of runs, they just get faster each time. so count up the costs. Sorex for the day maybe 3 sets of tyres. Rides, used them all day, and still can be used. i am sold on Rides.
but as far as sweep, i was very surprised that Sweep40R were faster then the 36R. again the sweep40R did last about 8 runs before they tapered off. but for Sorex and 3rd run thats it. is a huge cost to race at the pointy end. i think Rides are just as fast , specially using paragon Fx2.
just my findings over the last 2 weeks or so.
i have tried many tyre.
Edge 36R
Solaris M and H
sweep 36R
Sweep 40R
Sorex 36
Ride 36R
all tyres new, all tyres about 20 mins with warmers.
Edge gave me 16.9
Sweep 36R 16.5
Sweep 40R 16.2
Sorex 36 15.6
then following week
same track different conditions
Solaris M and H , i pulled the car off the track, or the marshall did.
Sweep 36R 17.2
Sweep 40R 16.9
Sorex 36 16.7
Ride 36R 16.2
for our track, we have used sorex 36 most of last year. this was our controlled tyre for the Nationals. they definaltey work well. however, our track, 3rd run, and they just cant cut it. they are slow. First run on sorex and i dont think you will find a better tyre.
Ride 36R
times i thaught were slow, 17.0 16.7 and i think after the 6th run with the tyres 16.2 . i did 8 runs with the rides and also had others use them to try.
and i got them back i think after 10 runs, and still was able to hit 16.5 . these tyres just last. they are slowish to start with, but after a couple of runs, they just get faster each time. so count up the costs. Sorex for the day maybe 3 sets of tyres. Rides, used them all day, and still can be used. i am sold on Rides.
but as far as sweep, i was very surprised that Sweep40R were faster then the 36R. again the sweep40R did last about 8 runs before they tapered off. but for Sorex and 3rd run thats it. is a huge cost to race at the pointy end. i think Rides are just as fast , specially using paragon Fx2.
just my findings over the last 2 weeks or so.
10-27-2012, 06:24 PM
#24
premount vs preglued
pre-mount and pre-glued sweeps are different.
pre-glued is the glued one. pre-mount is only mounted.
you can see that in the model number... if it ends only with "p" it premount.
and if its ends with "pp" then its pre glued.
pre-glued is the glued one. pre-mount is only mounted.
you can see that in the model number... if it ends only with "p" it premount.
and if its ends with "pp" then its pre glued.
10-27-2012, 07:53 PM
#25
To the original poster, if you are researching tires for use on racing on open tire rules there is no other brand except for sorex......
If you are researching brands for spec tires then the sweeps IMO is consistent and will save the racers some money....
If you are researching brands for spec tires then the sweeps IMO is consistent and will save the racers some money....
10-27-2012, 09:37 PM
#26
how about you buy both and test for yourself. Never go off of others liking . 
10-28-2012, 08:49 AM
#27
We here in the UK we have a series called SUKRR (SWEEP UK Rug Racers} which is run on Prima felt GT, and have had SWEEP design a tyre for us using the SWEEP 30 compound with a JB style insert, but has been made in the QTS mould so that it gives a smaller and slightly thicker side wall, which helps from the tyre rolling over and giving traction roll as did the old EXP, which we here in the UK ran a drop of super glue around the wall of the tyre to give the feeling of less tyre roll over.
The tyre is easily as quick as sorex indoors on rug, and is prefered over sorex for its consistancy and amount of runs. I am not sure if they are yet available for any where else yet though, but I am sure they will become popular to racers. I have found that you can swop the tyres around the corners of the car without the car feeling different as you do with sorex.
This is not a plug for this new make up of tyre/wheel/insert, just something I have been asking Ryan at SWEEP to do for us
its been called EXP-QTS and with the JB style insert, weigh the same as soerx 24 grams
Cheers Malc
The tyre is easily as quick as sorex indoors on rug, and is prefered over sorex for its consistancy and amount of runs. I am not sure if they are yet available for any where else yet though, but I am sure they will become popular to racers. I have found that you can swop the tyres around the corners of the car without the car feeling different as you do with sorex.
This is not a plug for this new make up of tyre/wheel/insert, just something I have been asking Ryan at SWEEP to do for us
its been called EXP-QTS and with the JB style insert, weigh the same as soerx 24 grams
Cheers Malc
10-28-2012, 07:44 PM
#28
I purchased my Sweeps from RC Mart. I checked their website right now and all of their touring and mini tyres are "pre-mount". They don't have any different part numbers.
I also purchased a set of Ride 36 and Sorex 36 tyres from Speedtech RC - they were labeled as "pre-mount" and were glued perfectly.
10-29-2012, 08:37 AM
#29
Tech Apprentice
Charl
11-12-2012, 06:34 PM
#30
Tech Adept
Well here's my two cents, I'm not a pro driver and I don't get sponsored a heap of tires so tire wear is a big thing to me. I have tried Pre-mount sweeps, Pre-mount Sweep EXP's, Pre-Mount Rides and Sorex that were mounted by another racer. As far as grip is concerned the sweeps seemed to have it a little more over the others when using the same temp tire, the Rides I have tried were really nice as well, BUT! both of these Pre-mounts I found to have shocking wear, all of my sweeps developed the death grove within 3-4 qualifiers, and the rides were even quicker, not good when you are on a budget, the Sorex's however have just lasted and lasted, I'm not up to pace as much as pros so those little milli second time variances I cannot put down to the tire, all I know is how the car feels. From what I have seen with the tires I have used is that the Sorex tires had a more fuller insert so roll over wasn't as bad, I feel that any of the tire brands would be quite comparable If mounted on the same rim with the same insert. I'm about to mount up some standard Sweep rubber on Speedmind rims with their full profile red insert and give them a burst, I'm thinking that the fuller insert will reduce the death groove and give me a budget tire with good wear and great grip.