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Old 06-21-2002, 11:41 AM   #16
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stormperson, the XRay might be heavier, but it's not heavy. Everyone I know with an XRay has had to add weight to make it legal.

dtm, you can change upper control arm positioning on the XRay. On the rear you can change the position on the hub, and if you buy the roll-center bridge you can move it on the chassis too. On the front, if you buy the accentric arm mounts you can raise, lower, and put angle into the arm (front higher/lower than back) on the chassis mount, but still nothing on the steering block.
Actually the new ackerman steering block is adjustable.
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Oh, also his 414M2 is about 2.5oz light! So it's definately a very light weight car, even though it seems strong as hell.
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Old 06-21-2002, 12:04 PM   #18
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The big difference is......


Tamiya's are toys

Xray is a race car

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Old 06-21-2002, 12:44 PM   #19
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My question is why did the toy win the worlds?
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Old 06-21-2002, 02:14 PM   #20
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Pay No mind to Big D, He has yes he has an XRAY and he thinks it's "GOD'S Gift to touring cars" he's much like his dad "God's gift to pan cars". If i'm not mistaken D your not even running you "race" you need someone else to drive it for you so it well place well.

I'll let you know how the 414MII is i bought mine today.
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Old 06-21-2002, 02:27 PM   #21
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Manta.....I'll be back soon enough to show u all over agian what losing is all about.......

I seen your 414MII in the store. Kinda looks like they bit a little from the X-Ray. Almost the same bulkheads front and rear, top deck looks pretty close, But where is the wonderful pivot ball suspension at. But i guess i see it on the track. U better let someone else drive it for u.
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Actually D they bit off nothing the 414 has been around for at 3 years now. So it was around before the HUDY. It started out in Japan as a limited edition 414X in 1998. then in 2000 the ta04 wa built off of the line of the 414x. So then in 2001 Tamiya put out the 414m the limited version car based off the 414X and using TA04 parts. It was such a success in racing the 414MII was produced as a production car the year. So who's biting off of who??
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To be a bit more correct the 414 line started with the TRF404 in late 1997 as a design study by the then new TRF. The 414m is a 4th generation product and is a well sorted chassis. To anyone who has an M and understands what they have, you would be astonished by the meticulousness that went into the refinement and development of the car.

The car is not toy. I would suggest to those new to the car to keep close to the kit setup or risk getting lost in a large array of adjustments. Drive as many packs as you can without changing the car, THEN make slight adjustments(it will react to the slightest of shanges) You will see what I mean.

As for the X-ray. It is a good car but not as well sorted. As yet it is only a 2nd gen chassis(if you are willing to consider the C1) I would say that when first advertised, theT1 was touted as the car that you would just buy the kit and nothing else would be needed. After endless parts/updates/revisions This clearly is not the case. Still, it is a good thing that Hudy is constantly improving thier product. I imagine their next car will be a more sorted item.

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But where is the wonderful pivot ball suspension at.
Pivot ball suspension doesn't work very well on electric cars, that's why Tamiya didn't go that way. If you don't believe me, just look at XRAY's new suspension for the T1, no more pivot balls there either.

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I still have yet seen the new suspension for the T1. Can someone guide me to the pics???? Trips????

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Pivot ball suspension doesn't work very well on electric cars, that's why Tamiya didn't go that way. If you don't believe me, just look at XRAY's new suspension for the T1, no more pivot balls there either.

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How come Pivot ball suspensions don't work well with electrics? Is it an efficiency issue (friction)?
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I haven't had any problems with the suspension in my XRay. Unless I'm not seeing something here, why change it?
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parts........parts............PARTS!!!
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The big difference is......


Tamiya's are toys

Xray is a race car

Any questions
hmmm....3 cars on your list!!! I suggest you spend more money and drive a few more cars before you are qualified to make sweeping statements like that!!

PS- This is coming from someone who use to have a second Xray as a spare car for his first Xray!
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wow..this question seems to pop-up at every forum.

I have both cars, and to say that one is better than the other would be an understatement.

First, the 414 IS very sensetive to set-up changes. but not saying the T1 isn't. it's just the that the 414 is a little more tricky.

One other thing is parts availability, being in a country like the philippines, I had to wait at least two months to get a part for the T1, as for the 414 I just go to the local distributor and get a part for the TA04 which is basically the same car anyway.

ON TRACK, they are fairly on par with each other in the hands of good racers, it all ends up on what is more important to you, a car which have good parts availability like the 414, or an exotic which is the T1.

More like a choice between a Ferrari and a Skyline GT-R. You can't go wrong with either one

you won't be dissapointed with any of them anyway. they're both top-class cars.

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