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Old 12-25-2004, 12:48 AM   #16
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actually as far as reedy motors go, the mvp arm is to light for the can used. the magnets are way to strong.. the can is basically a modified can .. the arm is to light..

we ran these at nats this summer... i used super sized steel pinions, to add weight to the rotating mass.. belive it or not it helped quite a bit...

any armature in a reddy can will be a slug.. there has to be a proper balance of weight and mag strenghth...


the reedy motors have mad tourque.. but give up rpms, and some max power...

epic motors may lose a little tourque, but they make up for it in rpm,s and max power...

epic motors also have larger cooling slots in there cans.. the reedy motor has almost no air flow.. so it gets hot faster , and slows it down..

also i think if it mattered that much tot he other stock motor companies, they could easily build a motor to compete... they builds mods to compete with epic mods..

roar isnt the only sanctioning body out there either.. and as far as roar races go, they are handout races. so no matter the motor, everyone is in the same boat...
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Old 12-25-2004, 12:53 AM   #17
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Well another thing to consider is that the USA is only 1 market compared to the rest of the world. In Japan.. (where these motors seem to be made)... they don't run 27t for Stock. They run 23t for Stock. And I don't think Epic has a "hold" over there. At least to my knowledge they don't. The 23t motors seem to be more torque based with gearing around 5.4... 5.3 final with Standup brush stock motors. Kinda like gearing for a 19t here. So I guess it would be up to the Stateside companies to push for a motor we could take advantage of here. And I think that's what Trinity/Epic has done. So I dunno. Maybe Orion doesn't care because their "other" markets are doin okay with what they got. I dunno. Just my opinion.
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Old 12-25-2004, 01:13 AM   #18
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I was reading this thread and some of the comments are way out to lunch.

I don't like Trinity for ie. Well, too bad... if they can make a 27T motor faster then so be it. What's next? I don't like GP batteries because they are good, are you going to ask for a voltage limit. Anything higher than 1.180 Volts won't be legal .. just get whatever motor is fast right now and give your p2K or whatever other older motors you have to some newbies who can't aford new stuff. That' s what I did.
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(2) chrome orions, (3) core orions, (2)MVPs,
these make killer lathe motors
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Old 12-25-2004, 01:28 AM   #20
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Mr. Hohwart is right about the wire length, some GM3, Monsters & Binary have only 62" or 63" of wire on pole. The ROAR specification requires at least 64" of wire on each pole. Of course we all need to run the fastest motor out there available but I just don't know how all the EPIC motors pass ROAR.
I though if the motor maker is caught making cheating motor, all their motors are supposed to be banned for a minimum of one year. Rick, please tell me how the big T get away with this.
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ricky...my point exactly.

costum....that's why i have so few motors now...i give them away. i'm really trying to push away from racing stock motors right now. but you know us americans. we like what we like and we don't wanna change it. lol

kilruf...the asian market progresses a lot faster than the US market. (i remember you posting this somewhere esle). they're not afraid to try new things....step outta tha' box. it's a real shame to let all that innovation slip by our fingers. heck we may not see a 23 turn class over here for several years! LOL

mr hohwart....everyone else...thanks for taking the time to post here and give me your veiws on things. i know it's busy time for you all.........'preshate it!!!
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Old 12-25-2004, 02:34 PM   #22
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Reason I don't like Trinity stockers is cause they suck out of the package. I alway seem to get bum stock motors from T.

When I do get a good T stocker it seems to go crap after one re-build. Had a great one a few months ago, skimmed the comm & put in new brushes and its never been the same (I don't get it) Tuned wise: I have only tried a Paradigm (nothing special)

I hope Orion gets their V2 stock motor out soon. If they can even come close sticking it to big-T I'll get one in a heartbeat
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Old 12-25-2004, 07:36 PM   #23
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I have a dyno and I can second that Pro Trinity and Fantom motors both Stock and 19T suck out of the box.

For I.E.

My pro 19T from Fantom.... the label on it was reading 22,500 RPM

ON my dyno it read 19,000. I wasn't surprised as much as I was pissed and mad.

Com was not round... it took 3 cuts to get it round, Brushes where wearing way off center, shimmed wrong...after fixing there 3 issues and letting the brushed it came with stock brake it again it did 23,000 RPM vs. 19,000 out of the box.

I won't even bother buying the PRO versions anymore, they seem to be very false.


IE #2.

My friend has this Fantom Monster Stock and the label on it was reading lots of torque and 21,000 RPM...anyway he tord me the motor had no bottom end. So I dynod it and the RPM reading was 22,900 RPM.... this is 2000 RPM more than the label said and my friend kept on gearing this motor wrong because the stock label had the Torque numbe higher than all the other stock motors around. What's funny is that this is the highest RPM I have ever seen a Monster do.

I know RPM tells you how to gear your motor but it is a big factor in overal motor performance.
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we ran these at nats this summer... i used super sized steel pinions, to add weight to the rotating mass.. belive it or not it helped quite a bit...

and you wait until to bring this up, talk about to little to late. lol
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I have had a roar monster & a monster sent over for the BRCA to legalise
They (brca) passed both of them no probs ,, i think if the wire was short then they would of notice, this is a copy of the rules


7.9 All rebuildable standard or stock motor armatures must be wound using a "Mabuchi" cross wrap technique, and a process that locks the commutator and the armature stacks so that the timing cannot be changed without disassembling the motor. The legal standard or stock wind is a minimum of 64 inches of round 22 AWG (American Wire Gauge) wire, resulting in no less than 27 continuous turns of wire on each pole. A production tolerance of one turn on one pole only is allowed. There is no tolerance on the minimum length of wire, nor is there a plus tolerance allowed on the wire diameter.


there may be the odd one or two out there ,but not enough to throw your toys out of your pram
At the mo trinity have got it but in a years time there proberly be some one else then we buy that one & so on

Just remember it`s impossible to please everyone.
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i use epic binarys 27s but there is one speed secert to make it even faster .................................................. .......................................BALL BEARINGS it makes it run cooler and revs more i raced against my mates 19 turn and i blew him off same batts, radio, and the right gear ratio from memory i used a 26.72 rollout on rubbers it rips and i TQ in stock at the track i go to
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wow, who would of thought if you cheat you'd go faster? I bet if you put a 19T arm in your stock motor it would go faster to.
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i use epic binarys 27s but there is one speed secert to make it even faster .................................................. .......................................BALL BEARINGS it makes it run cooler and revs more i raced against my mates 19 turn and i blew him off same batts, radio, and the right gear ratio from memory i used a 26.72 rollout on rubbers it rips and i TQ in stock at the track i go to

well i guess that club doesnt have rules?if it does you just cheated so really your tq doesnt mean anything
.also by the sounds of it i take it you didnt win the race?if not then you are a total loser lol.
who cheats and still cant win?but i think thats the case everywere.if a person cheats they dont do well anyway lol
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well i guess that club doesnt have rules?if it does you just cheated so really your tq doesnt mean anything
.also by the sounds of it i take it you didnt win the race?if not then you are a total loser lol.
who cheats and still cant win?but i think thats the case everywere.if a person cheats they dont do well anyway lol
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Here, lets help you out.

Cheat - To violate rules deliberately, as in a game or sport.

You putting bearings in a stock motor falls under this definition. It gives your motor an illegal advantage.

Therefore, you are a cheater.
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