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Old 12-26-2004, 09:37 AM   #16
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I hear people complaining about high prices all the time,but they really don't know all the intricitcies and cost involved in manufacturing stuff,it's why all the manufacturing jobs are going overseas.
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Old 12-26-2004, 06:01 PM   #17
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Everyone missing the biggest reason for the r/c prices - most companies don't make their products in house. Soo, the product goes from machine shop (mold shop, whatever) to the company to distributor to the hobby shop to the consumer.... Now throw shipping in the middle of all of that... Basically, your product changes hands 4 times before you see it plus all the shipping costs.......
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What Josh said. Basically.. it needs to be marked up 4 times so each of the "4" people can make a profit. Duhh.. hehe... If you want something for free.. come on over here... I have a couple AOL disks I'll give ya for free....
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What Josh said. Basically.. it needs to be marked up 4 times so each of the "4" people can make a profit. Duhh.. hehe... If you want something for free.. come on over here... I have a couple AOL disks I'll give ya for free....
No thanx
But I did enjoy reading this thread, I still don't care how many 'hands' RC products touch, we do pay quite a bit for our 'toys'

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Old 12-26-2004, 08:17 PM   #20
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Quit pouting, you wanna talk about overpriced toys?? goto Walley-world or Toys-r-us... take a look at any tyco or Nikko RC car... I saw a 1/6th scale truck that went for $150 and at least 20 in shopping cars last week...now just ponder this...when was the last time you saw you LHS with 20 people in line buying car kits....let alone the same kit.... now take a look into that SOB, tear it apart the electronics are the exact same as what has been in damn near every car of that brand for the last 10 years or so..... now put the SOB back together.... you will be lucky to finish 3-4 laps on the smallest of RC tracks that we race on in 5 minutes. Now look for the oil shocks.... you will be lucky to find suspensions that Tamiya was putting on cars 2 years ago...if it even has a suspension.... now fast forward to 2 years from now....hell 8 months from now.....how many of those do you think will actually be running?? 95% of them will be at the city dump...... Then look at the latest slot cars...not hobby class, toy class.... same electronics from 10 years ago, same chassis same style of track..... just chance the bodies on teh cars, change the track pieces a little...or get really wild and change the color of thetrack and add some cardboard stand-ups...next the change the box and viola.... another $100-200 at the store, and they will sell like hotcakes..... and in a few months most of them will migrate of the city dump also..... My dad has about 6 cars that he has been running for 10 years and ya know what??? when he charges up a battery and plugs it in the thing goes...... and trustme he has a little in his cars as possible...


The point is this hobby can be as expensive or as cheap as you make it.... only you can decide on how far you need to take it.....
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Old 12-26-2004, 08:26 PM   #21
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Yea people just know any better
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Old 12-26-2004, 08:43 PM   #22
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The electronic components themselves are cheap (transformers, transistors, resistors, and capacitors) but getting them in the correct amounts and in the correct order...the R&D costs big money..then production...outsource or in-house...and as said earlier...most companies outsource production because of the costs as they only produce small numbers of products...then comes marketing (all of the full page ads in the mags, web ads, sponsoring events, ect.)...
Now that everything has been done to get the rc person to want to buy the product..they have to pay the price....literaly

It leaves only 3 routes...
1. buy
2. dont buy
3. make it yourself
so, unless you have an electronice engineering degree and a shop....you either buy or dont..in which case one needs to realize that this is a hobby they choose to be in....and it is a rather expensive one....espically considering that one is tuning fake cars
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I definitely don't think my car is fake! it is a legitimate race car,albeit a scale version.My car runs nowhere except on a race track therefore it is a race car.
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The same as mine...for racing only...,
but, just because someone races a car does not make it a race car..it is simply a car used for racing..
a true rece car is IRL, outlaw, or NASCAR..although NASCAR has long strayed from "stock" car racing

Auto racing is a sport...RC is a hobby
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Quit pouting, The point is this hobby can be as expensive or as cheap as you make it.... only you can decide on how far you need to take it.....
I hope nowhere in my post I seemed to be pouting but just stating facts that I have NO problem with. It gives me much satisfaction to go to the track knowing that alot of the products I race with are not 'inferior' or lacking in some fashion. From this aspect I know that my lack of finishing within the top of the class falls within my ability to drive around the track and/or set-up. My gripe is only with some of the 'consumables' we buy- tires, inserts, arms, hub-carriers, etc.-etc. Take spur gears for example, how in the hell is someone gonna charge $4.00 for just one. Come on... and believe me I got a box chock-full of examples- hell, we all do.
Why do I continue to do it... 'cause I absolutely love the 'toys' I play (race) with ...
I'm out

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Old 12-26-2004, 11:25 PM   #26
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Welcome to free enterprise. Last time I checked, people are in business to make money. If manufacturers don't make money, they don't develop new products for us to use. If there were rediculous margins out there, its for certain that others would jump in and cut the margin and dominate the market.

I don't think that there are a whole lot of millionaires running small RC manufacturing companies. There's a handful of big companies out there and a bunch of little guys.

But there is absolutely a difference between your typical photocopy consumer electronics and RC electronics. Take for example a company that has to invest $5,000.00 for a simple mold to make a basic molded plastic part. Now multiply this by the numerous parts made for RC cars. Now consider, like many others have said in this post, that even the most popular RC cars probably on sell in the 1000's to maybe 10,000's of any one product? It would be interesting to hear a number from Associated as to how many TC3's they have sold since its release. 15,000? Its probably a pretty big number but also is a Very small number compared to a Motorolla cell phone or Sony CD player.

But also consider that RC is a niche group. Many products are marketed to us at higher prices because they have done the footwork for you and found something manufactured for some other larger industry and applied it to RC. Like screws for example. Yeah, its pretty crazy to pay 7 bucks for 4 blue aluminum nylock nuts for your TC wheels. But how long is it gonna take for the average Joe to find those elsewhere? And how many other applications are actually out there that require blue anodizing on a nut? You gotta admit that RC'ers demand some pretty unique things to trick out there little cars. Add on top of that that you walk into your LHS, and grab those same nuts, batteries, servos, lexan molded bodies, and all those products in one place. There are alot of other industries that work this way.

If you want to spend all of your time finding these things separately, you could do it and save yourself some money, but is it really worth it? Go ahead and buy cases of raw batteries from Sanyo..can you afford to sit on all those cells that do what they are supposed to do but don't cut it for racing? For most things, I say no way.
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The same as mine...for racing only...,
but, just because someone races a car does not make it a race car..it is simply a car used for racing..
a true rece car is IRL, outlaw, or NASCAR..although NASCAR has long strayed from "stock" car racing

Auto racing is a sport...RC is a hobby
All depends on how you look at it,hobby for some maybe but sport for others.Go-Cart racing! hobby or sport? most would say sport.
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Old 12-27-2004, 07:52 AM   #28
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To fix this problem? get your hands dirty,be a man,smell the scent of burning fuel and buy a nitro,MUCH cheaper then electric!

I mean how much does it cost to have a fast TC huh? a good $1000.If you just bought a nitro it wouldnt cost nearly as much as this would it,any engine over .12 is friggin fast and how much does that cost,between $150-$200 geez an ESC costs that much!! its crazy.You guys have balls to spend this sort of money on such small things,do any of you have a life besides R/C? me..my life is with my girlfriend and my beloved car,what does you wife/girlfriend say when you come home with $400 of parts? why not spend the money on something worthwhile hey


Think about it.......you might finally realise
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Old 12-27-2004, 08:09 AM   #29
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

My brother and I was looking for something different a couple of summers ago and listened to everyone saying how gas was cheaper. So our summer blacktop season we went to gas. Two seasons later we both had easily invested $5000.00 into it. The fastest guy at our track did it this past summer for "a break", I'll believe he tell ya that was not the case. Speed is addictive and we threw soo much money at gas to get the "real" speed. Don't get me wrong, probably the funniest and best racing I have ever done and seen! By the way the guys who said it was cheap and easy quickly jumped back to electric b/c they were tired of getting their a$$ kicked. When all is said and done electric is overall cheaper! Inital investments suck but not as bad has the weekly cost of being seriously competetive in gas!
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Old 12-27-2004, 08:18 AM   #30
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Now as for cutting edge, and costs.

Its called supply and demand. The GFX is probably the best charger on the market. anyone would take one. So the company knowing this can charge what they want. Until you make one equal to or better, pay up or shut up and use your dynamite charger .

This hobby also leads in some areas of tech. The suspensions we used 5 to 10 years ago were shortly duplicated on full size off-road racers and finally starting to show up in production vehicles. Look at the Monster truck series when you get a chance. The suspension that is "cutting edge" in their series is the same stuff we've enjoyed for a while now just finally scaled up to handle those bohemiths!

Just remember competition electronics didn't start in RC.
Trivia time, Does anyone know why the turbo thirty boxes where so large when they came out? (HINT: it didn't start life as a charger!)
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