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Old 12-21-2004, 06:02 PM   #76
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Look at what 4 cell did for oval racing. The 4 cells guys are just as fast as the 6 cells guys but the motors last longer and the cars handle better.

as usual the oval guys are at the forefront!

and troy knows i have been saying 4 cell touring car for over a year now!
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Old 12-21-2004, 06:09 PM   #77
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With 4 cells you will have room to move speedos and Rx's over to the other side for balance.

The AE guys tried it with a TC3 and had no problems...

Stock 27T motors would go away or become a class for rank amatuers.

19T would become the new stock class as 27T would be too slow.

Open mod would be easier to drive due to less punch. Top speed would be pretty much the same.
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Adrian, did they do a run time comparison between the 6 and 4 cell runs? Have you yourself tested this concept?
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Old 12-21-2004, 06:57 PM   #79
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I don't know... I still say run longer races.

The way it is today... you make one minor mistake and you are done... even on the local level. At least with longer races you would have more opportunity to make up for small mistakes.
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I like the concept of 4 cell 19t vs 6 cell 27t.

Any way I can save money is always a good thing, well for me anyway.

As far as longer races, I was nevous with the past batteries going from 4 min to 5 min. Going to 6 min might be reasonable. A big jump to 7 or 8 minutes would hurt the hobby creating a demand for big runtime batteries and only a select few can get them. Also with a time change you will effect the length of local tracks racing. Already my local track does 3 heats and a main in 6 hours. Adding more time really would bog it down.

I think making NO mistakes is part of racing. A longer race would give you more a chance to make mistakes.

This 4 cell 19t thing has me wanting to try it at my local track.

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Old 12-21-2004, 07:59 PM   #81
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I think 2 points conflict with each other Adrian:

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Look at what 4 cell did for oval racing. The 4 cells guys are just as fast as the 6 cells guys but the motors last longer and the cars handle better
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Stock 27T motors would go away or become a class for rank amatuers. 19T would become the new stock class as 27T would be too slow.
Then why hasn't stock oval died out? I think 4-cell is an awesome idea for sedan. It would bring speeds down, make cars more controllable, and reduce tire wear and parts breakage. Which is why I am afraid it will never happen. If people don't break and buy parts, motors, and batteries, companies don't make as much money.
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Old 12-21-2004, 08:18 PM   #82
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Oh my, girls girls....We are complaining about changing a class to make it easier for people with less control?

If I were dead I roll over in my grave. I think F1 should use a 4-cyclinder 130hp engine so the slower drivers can be slow at slower speeds.

Sometimes you have to accept your skill level and not try changing the world around you! Too much HP is the greatest equalizer, then nobody can complain they didn't have the "power." Dropping to 4-cell has the same issues as 6-cell. You'll struggle to find the cells with the most power, we'll tweak motors to get the speed back up. Silly! If mod is too fast then try convincing enough people to run a 10-turn spec or 14-turn spec, I love running mod.

Also have you guys charged the GP3300s. Mine charge to over 3600 already. Changing the label will only make the illegal for a bit. Draw in your 6 over the 3 since I've heard they are already 3600 and are just waiting to switch the label.
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Old 12-21-2004, 08:32 PM   #83
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Also have you guys charged the GP3300s. Mine charge to over 3600 already.
Charging capacity is different. You must read discharge numbers for the batteries actual capacity... Mine has over 4000 mAH charge reading on my Protrak but only 29xx mAH on discharge number.
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Old 12-21-2004, 09:21 PM   #84
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Derek - Remember when we used to run mod 1/10th pan cars with 8 turns on asphalt....oh wait...you never did that! (You know i'm just bustin on you) That was the FASTEST class ever. More rip and cornering speeds than nitro 1/8th with similar top speeds. Stock 1/10th Pan cars were faster than open mod sedans on most tracks. Regular guys could not control the cars with stock motors. This class died.

If you look at unlimited racing it always self destructs. F1 in the late 80's, IMSA GTP, Group C Rally. The healthiest racing series have regulations to keep the racing close and limit advantages to big money teams.

RC Driver Gary - Oval cars are direct drive and more efficient. The stock 4 cell oval cars aren't that slow. They also carry a lot of corner speed. There are no 1 foot radius hair pins on an oval. With the gear/belt reduction and associated drag 27T 4 cell sedan would most likely be very sedate. 19T would be a good option.

With the mass availability of good brushless systems drawing near and LiPo batts on the horizon much of this will be moot soon.
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4 cell sedan anything would be LAME.
We're already running foams on sedans, what's next? solid rear axles? It's bad enough sedans went foam, if you want to run 4 cells, go run 12th scale!!
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Old 12-22-2004, 12:10 AM   #86
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Well....
Why do I only see everyone discussing the 4 cell TC option.
And not an intermediate solution like Oscar suggested.
5cell?

Because that way you won't have any electrics issue either.
Otherwise everyone will be using rx-pack, making it motre hassle again. also willthat bring costs and weight.
OJ suggested this because the strain on the motors would be reduced by a lot.
Thus reducing wear.
Simply because we use 1 cell less...
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Pizza - We suggest 4 cell becuase there is already existing infrastructure to support 4 cell batts. Chargers, dischargers, etc. already have settings for 4 cell. Going 5 cell would make a lot of very expensive equipment obsolete. There is also a very sucessful precedent in 4 cell Oval racing. Thats why we suggest 4 cell as the better alternative.

Keep in mind that after changes like this the motor guys have a field day! They can now roll out all sorts of stuff that would not work with 6 cells. I suspect that 2 years after the change to 4 cell we would be back to the full 6 cell speed or faster.
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The last post under my screen name WASN'T me.....Sorry for any confusion
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Old 12-22-2004, 10:08 AM   #90
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oscar, 5 or even 4 cells in tc would be great.when we'll have brushless next year the cars will be destroyed every run due to the horse power.so less cells could solve this prob....
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