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Old 11-18-2011, 03:36 PM   #16
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Is one car more fragile then another?

I'm leaning toward the serpent but have been out of it for a while.
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Old 11-18-2011, 04:04 PM   #17
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Is one car more fragile then another?

I'm leaning toward the serpent but have been out of it for a while.
It depends on how hard you hit and what you hit and the angle you hit.

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Old 11-18-2011, 04:44 PM   #18
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Both the XRay and the Serpent have some of the best plastic in the industry IMHO. I've had cars from both manufactures and I am now racing the S411 and I'm very happy with how the car performs.

I do believe that the Serpent has more "natural" steering then the XRay car while still being stable.

I do like that the performance parts for the car are a little more affordable then the Xray line and the initial cost is a little less as well.

So far, the S411 has been a great chassis and if I had to choose now that XRay launched the '12, I would still pick the Serpent.

Either way, you're getting a car that is high quality in parts and a potential A-main winner in the right hands.
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I have to agree and with Hacker and not often I do, that the serpent appears to be a difficult car to set up, from what I have seen, out of the box on an asphalt track, it's extremely unstable.
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I have to agree and with Hacker and not often I do, that the serpent appears to be a difficult car to set up, from what I have seen, out of the box on an asphalt track, it's extremely unstable.
It must be a Victorian thing because all but 1 of the S411's here in Adelaide are hooked up and everyone is loving it. Ant is the only one who seems to have gotten a dodgy kit but he bought his because Scotts car is as fast as his well groomed TCX....
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the serpent is a piece of junk
sorry i jumped the gun. where the cars are tested, is generally the kit setup used. that does not mean its good for every track.
god knows where they tested the 411, at my track, 2 small changes made all the difference.
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sorry i jumped the gun. where the cars are tested, is generally the kit setup used. that does not mean its good for every track.
god knows where they tested the 411, at my track, 2 small changes made all the difference.
medium traction asphalt, Aus, vic, templestowe to be exact. Started with kit setup, very taily. Extended rear wheelbase to nearly max at the end, but did 1mm increment changes at a time. Softer white rear spring. Then went opposite way and went harder ride red springs. Then went 3.5 rear block to try and lock in the rear. 0 antisquat, even at one stage pro-squat. I had more parts to try, I could of got it close, but I would rather just drive my xray and tc6, both of which are very sorted from kit.
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A friend of mine used to have a T3R and now owns a S411. He describes it as the worst change he could've made.

Both cars are fast and built to last, and after comparing both cars in my hand, the Xray's quality just blows it away.

Good luck with your choice.
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