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Old 11-04-2011, 02:14 PM   #16
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I'm a pro internet douchebag, and I love it. The quality of Hudy's stuff has always been worth the extra money to me.
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Old 11-04-2011, 02:29 PM   #17
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I'm a pro internet douchebag, and I love it. The quality of Hudy's stuff has always been worth the extra money to me.
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Old 11-04-2011, 05:04 PM   #18
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Over priced, the integy works nicely and its way cheaper!!!!
Nice, but not nearly precise and repeatable enough to be called nice enough. In a market economy, you often only get what you pay for, and rarely anything more! Integy vs. Hudy is one of those cases!

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I have an Integy setup station. Yes it's much cheaper, but it's not as precise as a Hudy. It does the job, but if I come across a deal on a Hudy setup station, I'll replace my Integy station in a heartbeat. Just a bit too much slop for my liking.
This. I'm in the very same situation.

I used to bag on the Hudy snobs....until I actually compared the repeatability of one to my Integy side by side. The Hudy wins a side by side, in every category, every time.

Anyone want to buy a slightly used Integy set up station, I'll throw in an MIP tweak Station! Not Hudy, but nice enough!
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Old 11-04-2011, 07:11 PM   #19
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Ride height gauge is the only thing you need and hudy makes a really nice one with small incriments. I eyeball everything with the rideheight gauge up against the wheel. Works wonders.
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Old 11-05-2011, 05:01 AM   #20
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I'm no pro but I use it. Nothing worse than setting your car up by eye or with a dodgy setup station and then it not go straight when you put it on the track.

I haven't had much luck with the tweak station though, every time I use it my car feels mega tweaked after
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Old 11-05-2011, 05:59 AM   #21
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Not using Hudy myself but have a Titan that does the work fine for me, Hudy parts are very expensive, we all agree with this, but for once, I will not say that you are paying for a name, but for quality, just look at their drivers etc...if you can afford it, buy it.
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Old 11-07-2011, 01:45 AM   #22
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Camber set with a Setup Station is not the same as if you set it with the wheels you are using.

Due to the fact that a setup station always slides out because of the way it is built and that real tires don't do this, 1.5 camber set with a setup station actually gives 0.5 - 1.0 on the wheel.
This is the reason why many pro races NOT use a setup station for anything but check toe-out/in.

If you use a simple camber gauge and measure the wheels you are racing with you can make sure you got the camber right in real load situation!

And even though tires might not be perfectly round, if you measure the camber, then spin the tires 1/3 a turn, measure again, spin them 1/3 a turn again and measure again and middle the camber in this process you are set.

bent wheels can be straightened on a tire truer btw!

I for one just use a caliper to set toe-out. Very easy, very fast, and you should have a caliper with you at races anyway.
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Old 11-07-2011, 11:17 AM   #23
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Camber set with a Setup Station is not the same as if you set it with the wheels you are using.

Due to the fact that a setup station always slides out because of the way it is built and that real tires don't do this, 1.5 camber set with a setup station actually gives 0.5 - 1.0 on the wheel.
This is the reason why many pro races NOT use a setup station for anything but check toe-out/in.

If you use a simple camber gauge and measure the wheels you are racing with you can make sure you got the camber right in real load situation!

And even though tires might not be perfectly round, if you measure the camber, then spin the tires 1/3 a turn, measure again, spin them 1/3 a turn again and measure again and middle the camber in this process you are set.

bent wheels can be straightened on a tire truer btw!

I for one just use a caliper to set toe-out. Very easy, very fast, and you should have a caliper with you at races anyway.

Yes, the friction of the rubber tire with the ground will indeed play a role in what your camber gauge tells you.

However... the Hudy station tells you what camber angle the physical suspension settings yield independent of the wheel and tire. The true camber angle is the difference between the vertical plane and the plane formed by the wheel centerline... ie: the plane that runs parallel to the hub/hex mount. This value can be obtained without the wheels/tires.

The fact of the matter is this. The Hudy station may give you camber results that differ slightly from what you measure using a hand held gauge w/ the wheels/tires mounted on the car. Does this mean the Hudy station is incorrect? No. Does this mean the handheld gauge is incorrect? No.

Provided they are being used correctly, both are giving you a camber angle reading. It is up to you to determine which reading is the most beneficial to your suspension/setup program. In my personal opinion, the Hudy station is a better tool than the handheld gauge in terms of accuracy and... here is the kicker... repeatability. The roller bearings on the Hudy insure that there is minimal friction between the car and the ground, and will provide you with an accurate assessment of how the suspension components on your racecar are aligned.

The handheld gauge, on the other hand, gives you slightly less accurate assessment of what angle is being produced by the combination of your suspension components AND the wheels/tires. Given that tires, even from the same batch, can produce varying degrees of friction with the ground... that the tires can have varying amounts of sidewall bulge... that the wheels themself are often far from being completely true/straight... it is much more difficult to discern the true alignment of the suspension components.

Until companies begin producing wheels/tires that come out of the package 100% straight/true... I will continue to use my Hudy setup station.

Using "setup wheels" and handheld gauge is the next best thing IMO. You can acheive MUCH more repeatable results... and far more accurate information about your suspension settings, than if you were to use your actual rubber race tires/wheels.

Really, the only difference between the setup wheels/handheld gauge and the Hudy station is the friction between the car and the ground. The Hudy station takes the friction out of the equation(as much as possible anyway), which leads to more repeatable results. If you find it to be .5 degree shy of the handheld gauge, adjust it as needed. The brilliant part of the Hudy station is that you will always be able to duplicate your results with confidence.
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I like the techie part of the setup stations. But don't we want to mount the actual tires and setup accordingly? And if another set of tires is used, to redo the settings?

Masami's dad once took my car, eyeballed and changed some settings, car felt so much better.
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Just bought a integy tweak station, its out of level by 4mm, what a POS, going to now buy the HUDY one, should have just ordered that in the first place
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Old 11-07-2011, 05:19 PM   #26
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Just bought a integy tweak station, its out of level by 4mm, what a POS, going to now buy the HUDY one, should have just ordered that in the first place
A $7 glass cutting board from WalMart is flatter/truer than the Integy board, and significantly cheaper than the Hudy.
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Old 11-07-2011, 05:20 PM   #27
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Many of those Pro Drivers use their Eyes a lot
I must say Gauge and Station gives a lot different result here
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Old 11-07-2011, 05:25 PM   #28
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I never thought of buying the Hudy setup station for 1/12 & 1/10 pan cars. Heck I can set those up with my eyes closed in the dark, right? Wrong, I bought it and as skeptical as I was now I am a believer. My cars handle better and my lap times came down once I started using this tool.

I used to be the first to say it's a waste of money, not anymore.
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