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Old 10-26-2011, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mtbboy View Post
Does anyone know what the differences between the associated gear diffs and the spec r diffs will be?
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There is much less gap for oil or other in AE new diff, looks lovely too
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Old 10-26-2011, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by olly986 View Post
There is much less gap for oil or other in AE new diff, looks lovely too
Associated diff also has a rubber seal. Spec R uses a paper gasket.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:27 PM
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Thank you, Xray also have steel gears, but they use the 4 always as far as I know, but rear diff is used with lighter oil, I will give it a go to see for myself if there is any improvment or change.
Strange. I just looked at the XRay gear diff and it clearly says composite gears.
http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/pro...erential - Set
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Old 10-27-2011, 12:58 AM
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Same as the 3Racing geardiff.
This one also has a rubber seal and can be used in the Tamiya TRF series with 37teeth diffs

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Associated diff also has a rubber seal. Spec R uses a paper gasket.
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Old 10-27-2011, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by YR4Dude View Post
Strange. I just looked at the XRay gear diff and it clearly says composite gears.
http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/pro...erential - Set
I am using these metal gears in my Sakura diff fitted in my TC6, they are from the NT1
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It just occurred to me why I am so happy with my ball diff that I've never considered the gear diff. I run 17.5 "blinky" (non-boost). The slower speed of the spec class along with smooth driving = not a lot of load on the rear diff. Hence with the covered diff on my XRay using carbon diff balls and properly lubed and built results in a diff that I hardly have to maintain for the class I am running.

However, the strong point of the gear diff is that it is more durable than a ball diff. If I were to run in the hotter mod class with boost, I would be putting a significantly more load on the diff. I suppose that in this case the gear diff is more appropriate.

We have a guy at our track who got the Ta-06 which had the gear diffs run 17.5 non-boosted and had to switch to the ball diff. He was much faster with the ball diff. Same as it is in 1/12 with the smaller and lighter cars, the ball diff works better. It really depends on the load of the intended application.

Not everyone runs mod and not everyone runs "blinky". Decide for yourself what is best. Also the premium kit manufacturers almost always package their kits for the intent in running mod because that is what Volker, Rheinhart and Hara, etc... runs. If the new kits are coming with gear diffs, its not that its the new way to run for all classes, its just the new way to run mod.
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Most of the top guys in 17.5 blinky ARE running gear diffs on carpet.

I've been running a gear diff in blinky for the past year and prefer it over a ball diff. You're able to get on throttle much sooner with a gear diff.
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Originally Posted by malkiy View Post
Most of the top guys in 17.5 blinky ARE running gear diffs on carpet.

I've been running a gear diff in blinky for the past year and prefer it over a ball diff. You're able to get on throttle much sooner with a gear diff.
Are you running foams or rubber? I don't run carpet but carpet has a lot more bite than outdoor asphalt parking lot. So I can see how you're able to get on throttle sooner because of the lack of slip on a gear diff.

Honestly, TCs on carpet with foams, I wouldn't be surprised if someone were to get around the track with oneways up front with a solid axle in the rear.
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Originally Posted by YR4Dude View Post
Are you running foams or rubber? I don't run carpet but carpet has a lot more bite than outdoor asphalt parking lot. So I can see how you're able to get on throttle sooner because of the lack of slip on a gear diff.

Honestly, TCs on carpet with foams, I wouldn't be surprised if someone were to get around the track with oneways up front with a solid axle in the rear.
No foam. Rubber tires on carpet and yes the traction is very high. Most common setup is a spool upfront and a gear diff in back.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:25 PM
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Question?

In reading this thread guys mentioned running putty in the front gear diff. Who makes it and how much do you put in?

Also with the gear diff oil do you just fill it up and make it level with the top or do you leave some air gap in it?

Had usually been a diff/spool person but some friends have been telling me I CAN be faster with the gear diffs, so figure it was worth trying.

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Check this out

http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...s-explain.html

Also search for " diff putty" there are several on the market.

As far as oil goes it's thick as grease, I pack it and let it set for an hour, to let it seep into the planetarys, then add as needed, repeat, then close it up.
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Xray T3 diff uses composite gears, NT1 diff (which many people convert for EP) uses steel, with composite as an option. Kyosho also use steel with a fine pitch. Composite is just fine for EP even mod, you only run into troubles when they are shimmed wrong or when your shims collapse - spec R, tamiya I'm looking at you.

Gear diffs are where it's at. Lap times are better in every situation provided you get the oil right - which isn't hard - and the low maintenance is a plus. Ball diffs need to be rebuilt every run to perform at their best (it might feel smooth but it's not the same!), and even then they aren't as good. Chuck them out, put a gear diff in the back and have the option of spool or gear diff with heavy oil or putty for the front and you'll have the fastest car for every track.

The only downside is with no give you snap rear belts more often.
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Well...... Can someone suggest a gear diff setup? I am currently running ball/ball and have two gear diffs in my box. Have tried them with 500k in front and a slipper spool. I am not used to them and keep going back to my ball diffs for the feel. Anything else seems out of control to me and twitchy....... Am I doing something wrong? Is there a better oil for the gear diff?
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Originally Posted by bjanzen View Post
Well...... Can someone suggest a gear diff setup? I am currently running ball/ball and have two gear diffs in my box. Have tried them with 500k in front and a slipper spool. I am not used to them and keep going back to my ball diffs for the feel. Anything else seems out of control to me and twitchy....... Am I doing something wrong? Is there a better oil for the gear diff?
There are a couple things to think about when using the gear diffs. The weight oil you are putting in and the amount of oil you are putting in. Comparing 500k from one car to another or from one build to another only helps if you know how much oil was put in the diff. If you've been driving dual ball diffs, start with a lighter oil in the front until you get used to the handling differences. I've been running the spec-r gear diff in the rear with 40wt shock oil filled to the top of the gears. The lighter the oil, the more rotation you'll get from the car. The heavier you go in the front, the closer you'll get to a spool with similar results.
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Okay..... Thanks for the help. I don't have a collection of gear oils so I built one of my gear diffs with Lucas oil stabilizer. Not sure where it falls in the range of fluids...... Feels tighter than my ball diff but certainly free compared to 500k silicone. Hoping to try it before I leave for the 'birds.......
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