R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-19-2011, 07:09 AM   #1
Tech Champion
 
tc3team's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 6,151
Default Is smooth fastest at your local club, or aggressive?

By that, I meen do you find peoples racing/car setup more aggressive or smooth?

It's been commented on that my driving style/car set up appears to be more aggressive than smooth and thought i'd make a discussion from it.

I think a lot of the issue is more down to the fact that we race foam on carpet, so naturally there is a lot of grip which makes cars a lot more responsive than any other surface or tyre could.
__________________
Fusion Hobbies / www.horshamrc.org

The wife stops me being sane and the r/c stops me from going insane....
tc3team is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 07:47 AM   #2
Tech Master
 
heretic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: europe
Posts: 1,106
Default

Smooth is always faster, assuming your setup is not too bad.
__________________
I love wedge bodies. I love dish wheels.
heretic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 09:36 AM   #3
Tech Elite
 
Rick Hohwart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,935
Default

I find that when my I am comfortable with my car I can drive smoother than if I struggle to get around the track. The biggest compliment I can get is when someone tells me I "look slow" going around the track but my lap times are competitive.

For me, smoother is always faster even when club racing using 17.5 and no boost. The throttle control is taken out of the equation but corner entry and exit must still be smooth which with rubber tires can help keep the front tire wear to a minimum and reduce heat in the tires and reduce drop off on lap times.

Foam is different although I think you can still be smooth even though traction is ridiculously high. Even if being smooth does not reduce your lap time, it will likely improve your overall race time.
Rick Hohwart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 09:55 AM   #4
Tech Master
 
HarryLeach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Hampton, VA, USA
Posts: 1,596
Send a message via AIM to HarryLeach
Default

In the shooting world the saying is "Slow is smooth and smooth is fast". It translates pretty well to racing of all forms.

That said, a lot depends on matching your setup to your driving style, and that depends on the track layout.

On a fast open layout, you might get away with a very aggressive late entry that lets you get back on throttle early and narrow off the corner to give you the most options for entry into the next corner. By contrast, on a technical layout, an aggressive entry too often means being off your timing for following corners, resulting in slower lap times.

I would say, on a whole, smoother driving results in lower laptimes due to fewer mistakes that result in corrections. The longer the steering is off-center, the more speed you scrub, so if you find yourself counter-steering or making a lot of steering corrections, you're probably leaving free speed off the timing chart.
__________________
Privateer racing lots of stuff.
Remember kids, racing isn't fair!
HarryLeach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 10:04 AM   #5
Tech Elite
 
L.Fairtrace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Beyond the Wall
Posts: 3,774
Trader Rating: 23 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to L.Fairtrace
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart View Post
I find that when my I am comfortable with my car I can drive smoother than if I struggle to get around the track. The biggest compliment I can get is when someone tells me I "look slow" going around the track but my lap times are competitive.

For me, smoother is always faster even when club racing using 17.5 and no boost. The throttle control is taken out of the equation but corner entry and exit must still be smooth which with rubber tires can help keep the front tire wear to a minimum and reduce heat in the tires and reduce drop off on lap times.

Foam is different although I think you can still be smooth even though traction is ridiculously high. Even if being smooth does not reduce your lap time, it will likely improve your overall race time.
After seeing you drive at the nats I aspire to drive like that.

I know you didnt win but your driving inspired me to change my style of driving even after all these years.
__________________
Awesomatix USA - EaMotorsports - RocheUSA - MonTech - Sanwa - BSR Racing Tires - TQ Wire - Solaris Racing Tires - Side Piece Racing

180 and 360 Raceway. Best on the East Coast. Take your pick
L.Fairtrace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 11:01 AM   #6
Tech Elite
 
LMRacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Rome, GA
Posts: 2,739
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

The thing is that to be fast you need to hit the race lines the same way every lap and you have to be driving smoothly to achieve that while at the same time driving as aggresively as possible while still being smooth.

We measured the centerline of a 60'x40' offroad track, and then measured the race line hugging the pipe through the turns and there was a 50' difference I belive. Thats massive for a little track, imagine what the difference could be at your local track. Thats why driving smooth is so much faster than driving fast though, if you hit those lines perfectly you shorten the track significantly and speed isn't needed as much as it is in the longer track
LMRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 12:01 PM   #7
Tech Master
 
John.C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The Track
Posts: 1,291
Trader Rating: 36 (100%+)
Default

I got out of another hobby (Golf) to get into RC racing. In golf the mantra was to 'Try not to try' and 'Think about not thinking too much'. In RC racing slow is fast. I'm a glutton for punishment.
__________________
- Middle River Hobbies - The Track -
John.C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 12:12 PM   #8
Tech Apprentice
 
NoRookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 51
Default

The two fastest guys at my local club have entirely different driving styles in my eyes, one is the smooth is fast kind of driver while the other is what I call the agressive type. Both have cars that are set up entirely different, to match their styles, and who wins changes from week to week. Same with full size racing, you seldom see drivers with the exact same set up. Find what works for you and stick to it, being something you're not never seems to work out.
NoRookie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 12:46 PM   #9
Suspended
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,240
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Both driving styles are necessary for you to master!!! You decide when being aggressive is in your best interest, but in general smooth is faster, unless you want to follow others with their "you changed me stories": this is racing not Oprah...
bertrandsv87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 12:50 PM   #10
Tech Elite
 
L.Fairtrace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Beyond the Wall
Posts: 3,774
Trader Rating: 23 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to L.Fairtrace
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
Both driving styles are necessary for you to master!!! You decide when being aggressive is in your best interest, but in general smooth is faster, unless you want to follow others with their "you changed me stories": this is racing not Oprah...
I wish this forum had an ignore function.

I was giving one of the greatest most influential names in RC a compliment. Something you should learn to do

Who are you and why do you always sound so stupid??

You talk so much smack for someone that obviously has no idea what they are talking about in any aspect of life or rc.



Yes I'm laughing at you.
__________________
Awesomatix USA - EaMotorsports - RocheUSA - MonTech - Sanwa - BSR Racing Tires - TQ Wire - Solaris Racing Tires - Side Piece Racing

180 and 360 Raceway. Best on the East Coast. Take your pick

Last edited by L.Fairtrace; 10-19-2011 at 01:02 PM.
L.Fairtrace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 12:59 PM   #11
Tech Master
 
Buckaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 1,503
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by L.Fairtrace View Post
I wish this forum had an ignore function.

Who are you and why do you always sound so stupid??

You talk so much smack for someone that obviously has no idea what they are talking about in any aspect of life or rc.



Yes I'm laughing at you.
Believe you me, MANY people feel the very same way. There is an ignore function, accessed from your user cp.
__________________
Tom Keith

Tekin & Sweep, thanks for all that you do for you know who!

Associated/T.O.P./Mugen/Fantom/Spektrum/Savox
Buckaroo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 01:02 PM   #12
Tech Master
 
John.C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The Track
Posts: 1,291
Trader Rating: 36 (100%+)
Default

Click "User CP" >> Click "Edit Ignore List" >> Enter member's forum name >> Click "Okay" button
__________________
- Middle River Hobbies - The Track -
John.C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 01:21 PM   #13
Tech Apprentice
 
NoRookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 51
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
Both driving styles are necessary for you to master!!! You decide when being aggressive is in your best interest, but in general smooth is faster, unless you want to follow others with their "you changed me stories": this is racing not Oprah...
Next time you might try Google Translate http://translate.google.com/ I heard it works pretty good.
NoRookie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 01:38 PM   #14
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,920
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

he is still on my ignore list

biggest mouth on this forum and says nothing ............
sidecarphil1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 01:44 PM   #15
Tech Champion
 
RedBullFiXX's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Intergalactic Planetary
Posts: 6,542
Trader Rating: 34 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John.C View Post
Click "User CP" >> Click "Edit Ignore List" >> Enter member's forum name >> Click "Okay" button
Done, and done.
Thank You.
__________________
--> 12th scale Information Source <--

"Men do not quit playing because they grow old; they grow old because they quit playing."
― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
RedBullFiXX is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 04:45 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net