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Old 12-09-2004, 12:03 AM   #31
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#11, you know I had the same initial driving impression too. Being such an exotic car, my first time out I was all alone on the stand, the club guys were real interested in how the car does so they just all watched. It really doesn't seem like I'm going fast at all, just smooth and carry a lot of speed in the corners, but the lapt times really showed in my very first qualifying heat.

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Old 12-09-2004, 12:08 AM   #32
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Yeah it was pretty amazing to me how smooth the car was. When I drive my L3 I am working my butt off just to be smooth. Now keep in mind driving 12th mod is still new to me so I am getting used to driving at such high speeds but after a few laps driving the Slapmaster it got easier and easier.
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Old 12-09-2004, 12:48 AM   #33
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You guys are so nice! When this thing started out last winter, I wanted a car that would be unique, handle well, and just take advantage of some ideas that I had. For those that know me, I am a bit of a handling freak. It needs to handle, or I am pissed. I could win a race, but if it still didn't handle, I am pissed. I could loose a great race by many positions, but if it handled well and I did my best, then I am happy. When I started testing and developing this car last Jan, my first attempt caught me off guard with how fast it cornered. And I like steering in my 12th scale cars. This thing went up to the corner and around it without slowing down! That car didn't last long as I had a bad design for the front body post area. The next revision didn't seem to be as fast through the corners as the first, but it was still fairly quick. That design got scrapped for yet another slightly simpler to mold chassis, the 2.1. That car had the steering back of the first one and it was easier to build. I was not happy with the release film appearance on the top of the chassis and had no intentions of selling them. Then Sean Maybell said that he really wanted to drive one of my cars for Regionals last March. So I scrambled and put a car together for him and the bomb was dropped! He let all of his buddies drive it and they all wanted one. Since then, I have made male and female molds that produce a nice finish top and bottom on the chassis, it gets ride of all of the extra resin the vaccuum couldn't, and makes just a damn cool looking chassis. Like Allan and Dom said: it goes around a corner fast and smoothes out the bumps in the process. Tonight I experimented with some damper tube quick change stand offs. Before anyone asks, "no, I will not make anymore!" I could change the out board altitude of the damper tubes with just a small body clip. I ran them up, down, and then back up to try to deside of there is anything to elevating the tubes at the outter sides. The jury is still out, but I did turn some of the most consistant fast laps with them up. But it might have felt like the car could have had more turn in with them down. I will figure it out soon and keep eveyone posted of the results. Allan was funny running the car tonight after his broke. I just wanted to test the damper tubes and after a couple minutes, I had my answer. I saw Allan standing there and said: wanna drive? He wouldn't go fast at first. I said that it was not the way to drive it and told him to get going. Well.... I think that he like it! I am still waiting for some vendors to get parts to me, so we can just drool a little longer.

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Old 12-10-2004, 04:03 PM   #34
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Sweet looking car! Gotta like some new ways to to build a pan car....love it!

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Old 12-10-2004, 04:17 PM   #35
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hey brian

so i take it after your last post...... the conv-kits aren't ready for purchase yet?

also was curious, on how the suspension pin is supported/bushed in the front of the chassis. maybe a pic with the front wheel removed.
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Hi Brian, all,

I noticed you were talking about damper tubes earlier and i wanted to tell you about the ones I use. I made mine from carbon fibre arrow shafts and T-maxx titanium turnbuckles, needless to say they work very well. I had to cylindrically grind the turnbuckles as they were a fraction bigger than I wanted, not an easy job. The grinding however put very tiny pits all over the surface of the shaft which made them hold on th the lube very well. This week I integrated 12th front springs to help the car rotate in the corners (l3) I should find out how it handles tomorrow.

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Old 12-10-2004, 09:21 PM   #37
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I wished that I had a 10 man shop with all of the in house machines and 60 hours a day to get everything done that I needed right now. Truth is, I have my shop with some table top machines, I work on things when I not burdened down with my other job, and I am still waiting for vendors to get product to my front door. I quickly realised that I just can not keep up with the demand of people wanting these conversion kits. As a result, I have to subcontract out the parts that I have to purchace and then modify or machine from scracth. I am also in the process of duplicating my molds so that I can turn out more chassis. In short, I am down for a couple of weeks until everything comes together. But I am still working like crazy. Good news is; Paypal is now set up, a website is on the way, I should have some fun stuff like t-shirts on the way, and need to get going on some stickers. And if that was not enough, the thrust bearings have been going out all over North America. Apparently, marketing is not that hard to do when you have something that everybody wants! These are going to be hand laid car chassis and they are only going to get produced at a given rate. I wish that I could pop 20 out a day.... maybe some day.

Here's a pic of the front end, there is a bushing in the carbon arm, r/h is set with clips shims on the king pin above and below the steering block. If you have the skills, you can change r/h in about 30 seconds without even taking the wheels off!

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Old 12-10-2004, 09:26 PM   #38
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Chris, cutting titanium is no picnic. It takes a large amount of coolant or if you grind it, at least is makes some really cool white sparks! Good luck with them. The last thing I need is another scratch project. Brian
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Hi Brian,

I sent you a mail a few minutes ago about getting hold of a car (just so you realize who I am). Thankyou for your time. I was a machinist for 6 years, I'm pretty handy with almost any type of machining. That said, I have made two pairs of my damper tubes now and I'm down to about 3 hours a pair. Yes machining titanium is no picnic but it can be done with a lot of patience. The great thing about the cylindrical grinding (titanium in a mill head and a dremel in the vice) is the finish, I can very easily go a full day without relubing it hold on to it so well. But it takes about an 20 minutes to remove .002".

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I was wondering what happens when the carbon arms wear, I thought you would need some kind of insert. Do you need to change the insert when you change the angle of the kingpin for more castor? also do you use dynamic castor?

I apologise for all of the questions, but seeing as though I'm very likely going to buy one I'd nee to know anyway.

Thankyou,

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Old 12-11-2004, 09:23 AM   #41
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Ever thought about contacting IRS about their dampner tube setup? They are made to be used with springs...

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Old 12-11-2004, 08:03 PM   #42
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Tried that, first it doesn't work as well as Bolink tubes, 2nd it uses 4/40 ball ends instead of 2/56.

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Old 12-11-2004, 08:14 PM   #43
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Once again my MS2.2 today was fast and had the speed but it was down to my driving. Chad Kramer qualified 1st with his usual incredible speed then 2nd qualifier was my mentor Wes Zook, both I must say has more skills and experience then myself, so I wasn't disappointed qualifying 3rd. In the Main, it was incidents packed and I believe every single car out there were hit by someone or hit someone, no one was immuned. I end up 3rd overall, pretty happy with the result, if it wasn't for some hangups, I might be able to get closer to Wes. I didn't run the new CRC tubes cause I was running 19T sedan as well, just didn't have the time to try it out. But I did try a red center springs and wasn't as fast as blue spring. Also I'd discover that I'd been running .018 side springs all along instead of .020, so I switched to that and the car came alive in the 3rd heat. Overall, I'm still extremely thrilled about driving this car and I believe I can have many things to try to make it even quicker than it is now.

On another note, Mike Street qualified in the A as well with the MS2.2 in his first race out but retired with an electronic gremlin. He is extremely happy with the way the car is handling and going thru corners as well. I'm sure we'll see him on this thread soon.

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Hey gang, I sure appreciate everyone's support here. I spent all weekend making proofs of my molds. While I am not composite specialist by trade, I soon ought to have the skills to get hired on at any shop ... if I wanted! My goal is to have multiple molds that I can do many chassis in one evening. It should really spead things up, plus I will not have all of my eggs in just one basket. I am also hoping that the vendors will come through soon so that I am not making everything by hand. I know that many have their hopes that Santa will drop a kit under your tree, but it's looking like there might be some rain checks for the time being. The good news is that Paypal is set up and a web site is on the way. Things ought to just go crazy when they throw the switch on that thing. I can post current set ups for both stock and mod on the site. Plus you will be able to order from it. In the meantime, we can work out of rctech.
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