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Old 07-31-2012, 01:25 PM
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The X-ray chassis wouldn't have the option of split blocks and holes to mount them like the exotek . The stock X-ray ones tweak with the one hole and post setup and can rip out of the chassis .
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I guess i'm just looking for some that use the existing hole pattern but are machined to accept pillow ball. Is there something keeping that from working? Maybe you lose the option of split blocks? Is that what CSO is offering there?

The Exotek solution seems like it was designed to just re-use their Tamiya blocks. Which I guess is okay, but I didn't want to change the chassis of my car. I just wanted the option of running toe blocks because I find them to be easier to work on. I'm not interested in any geometry changes.
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The cso ones mount in the stock holes . But the tolerances are fairly poor there is side play within the ball and mount and no way to shim out the play . Best way is to use heavy grease or the tamiya anti wear stuff to limit the play
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Originally Posted by syndr0me View Post
I guess i'm just looking for some that use the existing hole pattern but are machined to accept pillow ball. Is there something keeping that from working? Maybe you lose the option of split blocks? Is that what CSO is offering there?

The Exotek solution seems like it was designed to just re-use their Tamiya blocks. Which I guess is okay, but I didn't want to change the chassis of my car. I just wanted the option of running toe blocks because I find them to be easier to work on. I'm not interested in any geometry changes.
I am running a t3 11 chassis using serpent ff and fr blocks and a serpent rr block then I ordered the exotek split blocks for the rf. It has been 3 weeks and the car is really good. I think I had to do minimal shaving of the fr holes to fit the serpent block. I did move the rf exotek blocks forward for clearance.
It was really just a fun project at first but the results have been good. here are a couple pics
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Originally Posted by syndr0me View Post
I want a pillow ball conversion that works with XRay's existing chassis.
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Anyone find a better shock bladders for these shocks yet...The Tamiya ones don't fit very well and the stock bladders are way too soft. I heard a while back that the reflex bladders fit, but not sure.
The Tamiya ones fit OK but you have to put them in the cap instead of on top of the body like the xray ones. A little tricker to bleed. Reflex makes them that fit the Xray now and are very very good Ive heard! I know all the AE cars around here and AE Drivers run their bladders.

The bladders are something that has been changed on the proto car too. So they are not so soft, tear and they actually work.

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Originally Posted by EAMotorsports View Post
The Tamiya ones fit OK but you have to put them in the cap instead of on top of the body like the xray ones. A little tricker to bleed. Reflex makes them that fit the Xray now and are very very good Ive heard! I know all the AE cars around here and AE Drivers run their bladders.

The bladders are something that has been changed on the proto car too. So they are not so soft, tear and they actually work.

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The reflex bladders are awesome in the Xray shocks. I haven't torn one since I started using them in my mod sedans 2-3 months ago. When they are brand new you can put them into the shock, and then put the cap assembly on top, but I prefer to put the bladder in the cap after I have used them once. ~$1 each is a nice reprieve from the Xrays as well.
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what are the pro's and con's of running a servo saver.
have a t3-11 and 12 and was swapping parts to get one ready for racing and swapped from one car (not run yet secondhand) to the other.
got to the track and no steering near centre. swapped to solid arm and all good. my bad did not have other saver with me.
only run 21.5 blinky and still learning.
not sure if running without a saver is too hard on servo i would assume it is if you hit stuff. if the saver is good what is the harm or running them.
car felt fine with original saver fitted second one must be bad.
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Originally Posted by syndr0me View Post
I want a pillow ball conversion that works with XRay's existing chassis.
Why?

The original T1 and T1 Evo had pillow ball suspension. The FOC then came out with both C hub and pillow ball, then pillow ball was dropped in favor of the lighter, simpler and easer to live with C-Hub suspension.
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He's talking about the pivot balls on the inner hinge pins.
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Originally Posted by hotrod1933 View Post
what are the pro's and con's of running a servo saver.
have a t3-11 and 12 and was swapping parts to get one ready for racing and swapped from one car (not run yet secondhand) to the other.
got to the track and no steering near centre. swapped to solid arm and all good. my bad did not have other saver with me.
only run 21.5 blinky and still learning.
not sure if running without a saver is too hard on servo i would assume it is if you hit stuff. if the saver is good what is the harm or running them.
car felt fine with original saver fitted second one must be bad.
The servo saver is designed to absorb impacts rather than trasnfering them directly to the servo. If you take a hit to the front end the servo saver should protect your servo and steering componets from damage.

The down side to a servo saver is that it can introduce an in accruate feeling in the steering and they are weigh more and are bulky when compared to a straight arm.

Comes down to a risk assesment, if you don't hit things often, and when you do your steering will not break then run an arm.
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Originally Posted by andrewdoherty View Post
He's talking about the pivot balls on the inner hinge pins.
Yep. Is pillow ball not the right verbiage?
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I may not be right, but here's my understanding.
Pillow ball

Pivot ball

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Any news about new car from xray?
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Originally Posted by nerdling View Post
The servo saver is designed to absorb impacts rather than trasnfering them directly to the servo. If you take a hit to the front end the servo saver should protect your servo and steering componets from damage.

The down side to a servo saver is that it can introduce an in accruate feeling in the steering and they are weigh more and are bulky when compared to a straight arm.

Comes down to a risk assesment, if you don't hit things often, and when you do your steering will not break then run an arm.
Like what he said, I would never run without one, never had a centre point steering issue. I always mod the sero saver so that the link is closer to the centre, slows the steering a little but gives more torque and better feel.

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