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Old 08-08-2011, 02:18 PM   #1
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Had a race meeting yesterday at a venue I usually have to dial out grip using sorex 28 with lrp blue carpet, but had real issues with overall grip, which got worse as the meeting went on.

One of the theories was, as it was an open meeting, the 12th scale boys were using jack the gripper, which was causing the lrp to clash with it as jack being water based and lrp being oil based.

The guys on CS seemed to fair a little better, but it got me thinking, is it worth have more than one, but possibly 3-4 different additives in my pit box?

What are your thoughts on the best additive out there? Based in uk so am limited to the following:
CS all types
Trinity tyre tweak
Muchmore, red, green or blue
Sweep x1, x2 or Z1
Jack the gripper tc2 or tc4

Let me know your thoughts.

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Had a race meeting yesterday at a venue I usually have to dial out grip using sorex 28 with lrp blue carpet, but had real issues with overall grip, which got worse as the meeting went on.

One of the theories was, as it was an open meeting, the 12th scale boys were using jack the gripper, which was causing the lrp to clash with it as jack being water based and lrp being oil based.

The guys on CS seemed to fair a little better, but it got me thinking, is it worth have more than one, but possibly 3-4 different additives in my pit box?

What are your thoughts on the best additive out there? Based in uk so am limited to the following:
CS all types
Trinity tyre tweak
Muchmore, red, green or blue
Sweep x1, x2 or Z1
Jack the gripper tc2 or tc4

Let me know your thoughts.

Cheers guys
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Anytime there are several tire dopes being used at the same time you start to head towards a "slime pit" situation. This was common when tracks started to ban Paragon but didn't establish a common traction compound. You would have 3 kinds of TQ (remember TQ??), Zip grip free, all kinds of junk and nothing worked because it all worked against each other. Then when tracks started mandating a traction compound, especially, Jack the gripper, traction went through the roof.

You would be better off to try to spec one brand.
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dont think we can get it in uk
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Anytime there are several tire dopes being used at the same time you start to head towards a "slime pit" situation. This was common when tracks started to ban Paragon but didn't establish a common traction compound. You would have 3 kinds of TQ (remember TQ??), Zip grip free, all kinds of junk and nothing worked because it all worked against each other. Then when tracks started mandating a traction compound, especially, Jack the gripper, traction went through the roof.

You would be better off to try to spec one brand.
This. Seen if first hand. Sucked. Especially on carpet that's full of Paragon. NOTHING else will play well with it.
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dont think we can get it in uk
We can't, banned over here.

So.....if all compounds going against each other causes issues, which one deals with it best? Jack the gripper?

No way of only having one..........I get no say so in it!
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I normally have different additives in my pitbox. I have some CS High Grip, CS Competition, Jack The Gripper, LRP (Asphalt + Carpet), some MuchMore (green and red). It is always good to have some alternatives - especially when going to a new track.
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We can't, banned over here.

So.....if all compounds going against each other causes issues, which one deals with it best? Jack the gripper?

No way of only having one..........I get no say so in it!
When the track causes the tires to get dirty and gummy and carpet fuzz sticks to the tire I clean it all of with motor spray and then only use Jack.

Jack does a really good job of keeping the tires clean of other sauces and carpet fuzz from sticking to the tire.

That may be why the 1/12th scale guys are using Jack already on your track
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As corny as this sounds..."oil and water don't mix". And that goes for traction additives as well. If your track has used a oil based compound, going to a water based won't work very well.

We have the exact same situation going on here, and tweak seems to be the only additive that works well, all the others are slower.

BTW water based was mentioned by Mb3195 in the very first post.
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dont think we can get it in uk
thin you'll find it's banned as well... stinks of wintergreen, so most places won't allow it.
I'm not sure LRP carpet2 is oil based either (as per the OP). The asphalt version is for sure, but the carpet version I think is water based.

That being said, as robk notes, anytime there's a combo of additives, they fight against each other, and always (IMO) seemed more of an issue when you were combining foam classes with rubber classes... best off trying a few different ones, but if still putting down different additives, still could be some issues!

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As noted the solution really is Paragon in the black can...lol
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Jack, water based? You sure? I don't think any sauce out there is water based.

Please explain if you know otherwise.

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With rubber on carpet you have to make sure to groove the tires to the track first, and then use tire sauce !!! Trinity Red dot worked fine on grooved tires, but paragon did not !!! Trial and error is the only way to make sure you have the right combo to work with the different carpet materials out there.........
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how about trinity sticky fingers and what happened to zip grip
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If there is a really good answer to this this problem without wintergreen I'd like to know it

But if I did have the answer I certainly wouldn't post it up here
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