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ziggy12345 10-12-2004 10:38 AM

Hacker Brushless with LiPo Battery
 
Hi

I didnt know where to post this so this seemed like the right place.

I saw an article in a mag about putting 11 cells together in an Xray T1 and hooking it up to a Hacker Brushless motor. It did 88 Mph!

I thought i would try something similar but try to use LiPo batteries instead.

I am trying to gather info for what i need and also if it might work. I was going to try the C40 brushless motor and a Lio battery that puts out about 11.2 volts. I have been told its equivalent to a 9 cell 3500 mah battery pack but about 1/4 of the weight.

If all goes well I will run it on an open track against some serious nitro competition to see how it fairs.

Any comments?

r0adrunn3r 10-12-2004 03:07 PM

Re: Hacker Brushless with LiPo Battery
 

Originally posted by ziggy12345
I saw an article in a mag about putting 11 cells together in an Xray T1 and hooking it up to a Hacker Brushless motor. It did 88 Mph!
I couldn't believe the rear spoiler they ran on that car. It was just the standard one. You would think that having gone to all that trouble they would have replaced it with a more aerodynamic spoiler!


I was going to try the C40 brushless motor and a Lio battery that puts out about 11.2 volts. I have been told its equivalent to a 9 cell 3500 mah battery pack but about 1/4 of the weight.
What current draw can the LiPo handle? If it can do what the SubC's can handle. It would be a great solution.

ziggy12345 10-12-2004 03:16 PM

I was just exchanging mails with Billy Fisher at Hacker. He suggests the system might be able to handlle a 3 cell pack (11.2 volts)

LiPo runs great in RC Helecopters

danjoy25 10-12-2004 03:57 PM


Originally posted by ziggy12345
I was just exchanging mails with Billy Fisher at Hacker. He suggests the system might be able to handlle a 3 cell pack (11.2 volts)

LiPo runs great in RC Helecopters

Just be careful as I heard that they have the tendencies to explode.

neveo 10-12-2004 04:05 PM

I thought that LiPo's werent going to be used in cars ? As they couldnt handle the withdraw that our motors need ??

r0adrunn3r 10-12-2004 04:31 PM

LiPo discharge rates
 
LiPo cannot handle high discharge rates. Check out this site. It has a table at the bottom with the different pack configurations, their capacity and discharge rates.

http://www.electrifly.com/lithpoly.html

The smaller packs (only 350mAh) have a discharge rate of 20C = 7A

The larger packs (1.5Ah) it is 8C = 12A

You need around 75A to get a stock motor off the mark. While running it would draw say 30A.

While the LiPo would run you would notice a lower performance compared to NiMh packs

Sleighty 10-12-2004 04:32 PM

yer they tend to get too hot and erm.....explode:D

neveo 10-12-2004 04:46 PM

Yeah not really reccommended then ....

I heard they can be abit of a pain to put out if they catch fire aswell :confused:

Disaster 10-12-2004 05:41 PM

Lipos are being used with all sorts of high speed brushless projects.
 
45amps burst and 30amps constant is plenty of power to drive a brushless up to some very high speeds.
Cheap Battery Pack link.
People are using the smaller 15/20amp packs to drive 1/18th scale to 60-70mph speeds.

r0adrunn3r 10-12-2004 05:47 PM

Re: Lipos are being used with all sorts of high speed brushless projects.
 

Originally posted by Disaster
45amps burst and 30amps constant is plenty of power to drive a brushless up to some very high speeds.
Cheap Battery Pack link.
People are using the smaller 15/20amp packs to drive 1/18th scale to 60-70mph speeds.


From the site...

12 C 3100mah narrow pack. Great pack and incredible power. 37 amps constant with bursts to 45amps. Amazing !!. With charge guard adapter (taps) built into the pack.
Cool 45A burst - Well I stand corrected :)

Sounds like a goer to me...

JamesArluck 10-12-2004 05:54 PM

http://www.robotcombat.com/marketplace_lipoly.html

There is also the 20C 2100mah Kokam that can put out 42A.

-James

Coxy 10-12-2004 05:55 PM

Re: Re: Lipos are being used with all sorts of high speed brushless projects.
 
Yes a LiPo will do fine with a Hacker. The two cell packs are 7.4 and give you insane run time, I am sure a 3 cells unit will work with the hacker, but I think you will have the thermo issue to worry about. Personally I would stick to the 2 cell unit and it blow past any Nitro, remember the track has more that straights.

LiPo are pretty good now as we have learnt how to charge them. 3 stage chargers out now make them prety safe compared to older units.


Coxy.

BUMPERCAR 10-12-2004 07:20 PM

I have run a 2-cell 6000Mah Li-Po pack on my 6 turn c40 hacker and it ran fine with insane speed and uncontrolable punch. Nothing like doing a back flip with a XXX at half throtle. Or hearing your cars tyres hunt for traction for 600' while easing in to the throtle.



I have yet to thermal my hacker.
Gearing was 24P/84S

sleek the elite 10-13-2004 12:26 AM

amp draw
 
If your amp draw is too much for the rating on a lipo pack, I would assume that you could always go to 3 cells (11.1V) so that you could get the same amount of power for a smaller amp draw. P=VI. This would depend on if your speedy is rated to 10 cells (1.2V cells). but the weight of the extra cell would not be an issue as we all know the power density of lipos. Legality would not be an issue either as they are already as illegal as hell.

ziggy12345 10-13-2004 01:24 AM

Re: amp draw
 

Originally posted by sleek the elite
If your amp draw is too much for the rating on a lipo pack, I would assume that you could always go to 3 cells (11.1V) so that you could get the same amount of power for a smaller amp draw. P=VI. This would depend on if your speedy is rated to 10 cells (1.2V cells). but the weight of the extra cell would not be an issue as we all know the power density of lipos. Legality would not be an issue either as they are already as illegal as hell.
Yo! Thanks guys. Thats what I was thinking. Higher volts less amps for the same speed. so for same amps higher speed!!

Problem now is the ESC. I have been told a Schulze ESC is the only one capable of handling the power. Bit pricy, any alternatives out there?

I will also need a LiPo charger as ordinary chargers dont work with LiPo correct?

Cheers


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