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Old 05-16-2011, 09:44 AM   #31
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There are really no way to have dyno numbers since they are all so different, But the motor should dyno like a duo 3 in the zero timing position.

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Can one of you guys post some dyno figures for these motors?

We run boosted 17.5 and if the timing is going to be set then it is going to be great for the boosted classes as changing motor mid meet will not mean stuffing around with timing settings to try and get the sweet spot happening again.
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I'll post up some Dyno numbers from Monster lock and Duo 3's. May take me a few days but I'll get them up here for everyone asking.

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Old 05-19-2011, 10:01 PM   #33
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Here are some dyno sheets of two monster lock motors I pulled at Random. Also there is a photo of a D3 set at zero (same as monster lock 30 degrees). This D3 is the one I TQ'd the birds with so no slouch.

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Here are some dyno sheets of two monster lock motors I pulled at Random. Also there is a photo of a D3 set at zero (same as monster lock 30 degrees). This D3 is the one I TQ'd the birds with so no slouch.

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Old 05-19-2011, 11:24 PM   #35
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Given the numbers from the two locked motors on the right, EA, which one would you choose? There's a 4% difference in power...
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Man, I miss my turbodyno.........
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Old 05-20-2011, 02:48 AM   #37
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I may be wrong, but I believe these new spec motors will bring the turbodyno (or something similar) back to a "must have" for the really serious racer and by default the wannabes. Anytime you have a spec powerplant that is too slow for the racing conditions it makes every little detail important including the driver, the setup, the power source (battery), and; yes, the motor.
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Given the numbers from the two locked motors on the right, EA, which one would you choose? There's a 4% difference in power...
Those where the best and worst out of about a dozen or so motors. There is 1 watt difference in power. It would not matter which one to me. I dont know of anyone that would fee the difference based on those dyno sheets.

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Old 05-20-2011, 05:46 AM   #39
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I may be wrong, but I believe these new spec motors will bring the turbodyno (or something similar) back to a "must have" for the really serious racer and by default the wannabes. Anytime you have a spec powerplant that is too slow for the racing conditions it makes every little detail important including the driver, the setup, the power source (battery), and; yes, the motor.
No different than it is now to be honest. Ive never stopped using my Dyno since BL came out. Its just another quality control step. Its very rare that you find a "standout" motor like in the brushed days where you would find one that was 10 watts higher than anything else.

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Old 05-20-2011, 06:07 AM   #40
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I must admit that I'm finding these new threads integrating dynos and data loggers very interesting. I really see this as the future for the really serious, ESPECIALLY with spec motors. Intelligently incorporating data taken during practice and on the bench where you're taking into account battery performance, motor performance, etc. may be able to provide just that little edge to tip the balance on race day. I think oval guys are probably into it pretty heavily already, anyway that appears to be where you can find the most information.
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I applaud Epic/Trinity for this motor and taking the BIG Step to resurrect all racing, and Touring Car especially.

Being first is not always easy.

""I hope ROAR and/or other major races adopt this style of motor moving forward.""

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Old 10-23-2011, 03:08 AM   #42
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just got to get guys to not cheat and show up for stock class with a 8.5 boosted and timed to crap talking it is stock if you want a mod car run mod if you cant drive your car well enough to race mod get a stock motor





thats what i just did
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I just bought one of these motors and it seems to spin very easily. This is a 21.5 and I am comparing to a Novak 21.5.

Driving with this on an F1 car it seemed to be okay but I couldn't get any brakes using a Telin RS. Tekin brakes were turned up to step 12 out of 13.

Is this normal or should it have some good pop when turning like the Novak?
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:48 PM   #44
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Good talk Russ.
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:48 AM   #45
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and we were told brushless motors were going to solve all of this...

For spec racing, why not bring back the concept of a hand-out motor... produce a reasonable priced, locked endbell motor with blinky speedo settings. This could work for both club races and high profile events. Even though racers may accumulate a bunch of "spec" motors... its no different than a racer showing up at a track with a number of various brands and types of motors... if they are inexpensive enough its no big deal... i must have 12x mabuchi motors for TCS racing and what I've found is there is always someone at a track in need of one.

Motors should be sealed and only opened for maintence in the event of a bearing failure... cheap enough so that they are disposable. Anything to reduce the cost of racing to a racer is a step in the right direction.

IMO, its not the difference between open and spec racing that's turning racers away at the club level its the economy and people are focused on the cost. I'm all for any manufacturer who can introduce a low cost solution to quality racing. Off-Road continues to gain in popularity for this reason. The focus is more on driving and set-up versus the latest and greatest technology. Although this does apply to on-road but most don't want to beleive it...
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