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Old 06-28-2005, 08:37 PM   #6346
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OK, so he must have made a mistake, b/c

1 degree hubs and 0 degree pivot = 1 degree toe PER SIDE, which would be 2 degrees TOTAL, right??
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Yes tc3!! I edited my last post at the end to explain that it's not a typo but we are miss reading the set up sheet. Refer to my last paragraph.
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Well I posted before you edited it... didn't read that sorry
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OK, so he must have made a mistake, b/c

1 degree hubs and 0 degree pivot = 1 degree toe PER SIDE, which would be 2 degrees TOTAL, right??
Don't think TOTAL...Just per SIDE. That's the way it is with REAL race cars too.

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All the losi setup sheets that I have ever read when they list Toe in or out its per side....not total....that is the same way the hubs are made they are made to list toe per side not total. When I asked Todd about this he informed me it was a 2deg hub that they were running with the 0deg block. Maybe at the time when you saw his car DJ, he(BK) did infact have 1deg hubs on there maybe they want us to think its 2deg hubs or its a typo. But I know that they are running 2deg and higher rear hubs. Also I cant see BK running the car on carpet mod with 1deg of toe in per side....maybe he did but that would seem to be a very strange setup and hard to handle.
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Old 06-28-2005, 08:58 PM   #6351
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I run the car on carpet with a 0 rear pivot block and 1 degree offset hubs and the car is very neutral. I'm also running a 8 single cobalt so it's not like I'm far off in power. Besides how many cars on carpet have ever run 4 degrees of toe in the rear!! I ran 2 degrees in my corally and 1 1/2 to 2 degrees total rear toe in my Xray 2 degrees in my tc4, and 2 degrees in my pro 4. 4 degrees on carpet would be way too much I would think. Maybe Todd can clear this up but I don't think 2 degrees is a very odd setup for high traction carpet, just check out what some other mfg's run for rear toe.

All that said he lists rear toe as 2 degrees right at the top of the section, I still think the hub means 2 degrees at the hub meaning 1 degree hubs with zero rear blocks. It's just telling you where the 2 degrees of toe in is (meaning at the hub not the pivot block. Like I said 4 degree hubs would be obserd wouldn't you think?
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The XXXS was run with 2deg toe in per side in the rear....so that was a total of 4deg of toe in. When they are running mod with the car they tend to run more toe in to add some stability to the car.....about 95% of the setup sheets for the XXXS showed 2deg of toe in which is per side. Why would they change it for this car? When you take away rear toe in you gain straight line speed and make the car unstable...which can feel like the car has more steering but just because its unstable doesnt mean its steering more. Every Losi setup sheet when they list the toe in its per side not total. I still think that on the BK setup sheet he was running 2deg rear hubs with 0deg pivot block. I was also told by Todd that they were running 2deg rear hubs with 0deg blocks. I think some of you guys are confused with the setup sheets. Either way when Todd gets on here he can tell us all that we are all wrong and that there is another odd ball way they are looking at it.
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Hehe, and remember, I am the one who started all this.

Well even if he says that he's using 2 DEG offset hubs, I can't find them anywhere: kthobbies, ehobbies, horizon....
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I got my replacement hubs from losi today. If you are having the toe in problems, drop them an email, its painless, they make it right.
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Hehe, and remember, I am the one who started all this.

Well even if he says that he's using 2 DEG offset hubs, I can't find them anywhere: kthobbies, ehobbies, horizon....
2 degree hubs are not available. 1 degree o/s and 1/2 o/s degree are available.

Toe is definitely meant to be read per side.
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On BK's carpet national setup he is using a 0 degree rear pivot block with 2 degrees of toe in for the rear meaning he is using 1 degree offset hubs with a 0 rear pivot block which totals 2 degrees of rear toe.
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The 0 degree rear pivot block is 0 degree's anti-squat, not toe in.
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The 0 degree rear pivot block is 0 degree's anti-squat, not toe in.
I think you're right on the XXX-S, but that is incorrect on the JRX-S.

The block can be flipped for anti-squat, prosquat, or flat. 0 stands for toe on the pivot. Look at the 1 and 2 pivot and you will see they are exactly the same as far height goes, but you will notice that the 1 is wider than the 0 thus making the arms toe in.......
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I think you're right on the XXX-S, but that is incorrect on the JRX-S.
oops, my bad. just trying to make out why there is so much confusion. think I'll stick to xxx-s issues.
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Well the 0deg hub is definatly 0 per side!
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Well the 0deg hub is definatly 0 per side!
LMAO Not if it was one of the goof'd up ones in some of the kits!!!! Sorry just wanted to stir up the pot a little bit!!

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