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Old 09-24-2004, 12:18 PM   #16
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OMG..... I'm so sorry my question is rather bad or stupid jokes. I should have asked " Could you teach me how to win at TCS race ? "

Hmmm, dont know if it's just me, but I find it a little hard to believe that the use of the word "cheating" just happend by incident....
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Old 09-24-2004, 12:19 PM   #17
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OK since you changed the tone of your post a little. All those 540 motors are not built evenly. The same maybe but not even at all. Since you can buy them for 4 bucks a piece. Buy 10 and have them dynoed or run them all till you get your favorite one. Then sell the rest on E bay. BTW dont ever buy one of these off of Ebay is another good tip.
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Old 09-24-2004, 12:35 PM   #18
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Okay, allow me to contribute one secret to win TCS :

As soon as you received the stock motor ( mabuchi 540 motor ) from tamiya race organisers, you don't seat and drink coffee . You should break in the motor right away for as long as possible. You dipped the motor into a big jar of water, and let it runs continuously until 20 - 30 minutes before your race called. Don't forget to re-lube the bushing with bearing oils. Comm drop is not necessary, just use very little if you feel peace of mind of it. You can hear the motor is squeeking at half throttle. It's good.

The longer the break in, the faster the motor will be. This is typical condition for 540 motor. The motor is running faster and faster as it gets older. So you need to break in the motor between heats / finals. Don't forget to refresh the water if it become nasty.

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Old 09-24-2004, 12:37 PM   #19
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He probably meant, what are some legal things he can do to "cheat" and get his car tiptop.

The literal translation is not too good.

Things he is asking about are probably: Breaking-in your bearings before installing them, with toothpaste. Simple Green on your tires, soap as a spur gear lubricant. Stuff like that.
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Don't do that with the Black can or the new J-Type motor; you'll ruin them.
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Old 09-24-2004, 12:43 PM   #21
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Don't do that with the Black can or the new J-Type motor; you'll ruin them.
seriously....... you don't break in the black can ( Sport Tuned ) with water ? what is J type motor ?
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What was the best way to break in the type j motor they handed out at Nats?
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Nope, the brushes are too soft. The J-type is the new Silvercan motor from Tamiya, which is the motor we used at the Nats this year in GT2 and Mini
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Old 09-24-2004, 01:34 PM   #24
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How much "borderline" cheating or overt cheating goes on at most tracks. When does something pass from not ROAR legal to "cheating".

Is running a non-roar body, an underweight car, a 4 magnet stock motor, cheating?

I am not asking this as a rhetorical question. I have been to one ROAR sanctioned event and the Tech inspection seamed to be limited to height, weight and spot checking of motors without even taking the body off. The weighing was done in such a way that a driver could have easily added weight and then removed it before racing.

The parking lot races sponsered by the Hobby stores (or other non-Roar events)in this area have zero tech inspection.
I have no reason to believe there are intentional violations. One thing that made me a little suspicious,though; was checking out the times of some guys who ran in both stock and 19t. Their times were the same in both classes.

I am really not to concerned about the whole deal, I am being beat by better drivers. I am just curious about what the "understanding" of legal or cheating is at your track.
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Actually, tech has been very well run at all of the TCS races I have ever run at, regardless of the venue.
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How much "borderline" cheating or overt cheating goes on at most tracks. When does something pass from not ROAR legal to "cheating".

Is running a non-roar body, an underweight car, a 4 magnet stock motor, cheating?

I am not asking this as a rhetorical question. I have been to one ROAR sanctioned event and the Tech inspection seamed to be limited to height, weight and spot checking of motors without even taking the body off. The weighing was done in such a way that a driver could have easily added weight and then removed it before racing.

The parking lot races sponsered by the Hobby stores (or other non-Roar events)in this area have zero tech inspection.
I have no reason to believe there are intentional violations. One thing that made me a little suspicious,though; was checking out the times of some guys who ran in both stock and 19t. Their times were the same in both classes.

I am really not to concerned about the whole deal, I am being beat by better drivers. I am just curious about what the "understanding" of legal or cheating is at your track.
maybe you could start a new thread? where i race.. everyone knows everybody else.. so if you are exceptional fast..they'll look into it. but most races are just for fun.. club/parking lot etc.. so rules arent enforced.. then we get to events like Reedy Race and TCS where if you have your shoes tied wrong they'll get you for it. .

so to answer your question, when i race at my hobby people/parking lot races, my car is underweight (just like everyone elses) and people run whatever body they prefer. so its not really cheating because people arent taking it as seriously. now running a 19T armature in a stock can is cheating
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Gary is the J-type the one with the yellow and green wire? What is the secret to the newer motors or is it luck of the draw?
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I raced alot of offroad in the early '90s and I've used stock motors at big races in modified and qualified for the A-main. Not surprising that people can match their 19-turn lap times with their stock laptimes depending on track layout.
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Hey if you wanna win, you gotta look at motor and batery maintenance. Especially at a TCS event
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Jesse, by looking at them you can't tell a difference between the J-Type and the older ones. They both have the wire configuration you mentioned. Lets put it this way: you've probabilly seen my box of Mabuchi motors at Trackside. I have 5+ year old motors. The 2 motors I got as handouts from this past nats...I obliterated them when I got home. There's still a dent in my work-room wall from where I just whiped the thing as hard as I could because it was such a POS.
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