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Old 04-20-2011, 09:58 AM   #61
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You realize in the late 80's mod was probably as slow as if not slower than boosted 17.5 is now?
Probably, it been awhile....

I just know there was a real difference. Personally i just don't care for "profile of the week" or whatever, I'd rather run mod and adapt my driving than deal with a boosted class. To each their own. A lot of people like boosted 17.5 and for valid reasons, I just don't want to mess with it .
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Mod is hard and expensive for the average racer, so lets stop pretending that it is just a little faster then 17.5 with timing. Anyone that says that is out of their mind.
Just one problem with your statement. Most of the best mod guys around here are running boosted 10.5 instead of non boosted 4s or something. Those guys are all over the place, while the boosted 10.5 guys are laying down great laps. That's the beauty of mod, you have options.
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That's the beauty of mod, you have options
Makes sense.
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Anyway, I predict Reedy will be the last big on-road race to include boosted classes.
OK, I'll bite - where is this coming from? Where I'm racing, boosted 17.5 is the most popular class?

And is this debate why no one know what classes are going to be offered in Vegas this year?
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Blinky classes are necessary for any type of electric discipline to survive on or off road.

The "slowest" class at my local track when I picked 1/12 back up was 17.5 with boost being allowed. If I was a complete beginner (which I looked like anyway) I would have sold my equipment after the first two races trying to figure out what I needed to do to keep up let alone win. Had it not been for a few very helpful fast guys I would have been done anyway.

Now we have a 17.5 "Cirtix" (non-boost), 13.5 w/boost and mod classes. I jumped from 17.5 to Mod and now can focus on my driving rather than my programming and tire management/gearing to make sure my timing stays where it was programmed to be.
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You do realize this is simply about slow people wanting easy wins, socialism and class warfare, right? Funny how some of these guys that hate blinky fight so hard to keep the newbies and squids in their class rather than move them to a class that makes sense given the skill level. Seems somewhat hypocritical to paint slow drivers as just wanting easy wins while at the same time doing everything possible to keep the slow guys as the competition. A win is a win... I guess.

Blinky non-blinky, I really don't care. just want my track to stay open.
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The ONLY real solution to this debate about boost or no boost is to have Congress make it a law. Really, think about it,then there will be no debate,no evil rich winning by spending more money than the next.The playin' field will be leveled out. Whie there are at it they can outlaw trophies for winners that way Johnny won't have self-esteem "issues" because he didn't get a trophy.Better yet, maybe they should take over all the electronic companies that make ESC's and then there will be a true level playin' field for all.one ESC and nothing else will that make all of you happy?
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0 timing is the way forward for stock

Look at ETS , the stock entry numbers speak for themselves over 200 stock drivers per weekend and they use the Citrix and 13.5v3 motors

If you want to go fast then go Mod !!!!

just my 10cents worth
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You do realize this is simply about slow people wanting easy wins, socialism and class warfare, right? Funny how some of these guys that hate blinky fight so hard to keep the newbies and squids in their class rather than move them to a class that makes sense given the skill level. Seems somewhat hypocritical to paint slow drivers as just wanting easy wins while at the same time doing everything possible to keep the slow guys as the competition. A win is a win... I guess.

Blinky non-blinky, I really don't care. just want my track to stay open.
I don't see why you would want squids in your class? If you are fast you probably don't want some newb t-boning you into the wall...

Have a beginner class for the newbs to bash it out, and then have a mod class for the good drivers to race.
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Johnny and Evil Rich, who are these Foul Jive-Turkeys???

Sidecarphil1- Sounds like it's working out pretty good.
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I don't see why you would want squids in your class? If you are fast you probably don't want some newb t-boning you into the wall...

Have a beginner class for the newbs to bash it out, and then have a mod class for the good drivers to race.
I agree. Perhaps what I posted wasn't very well written. You just restated much of what I was trying to say more succinctly and with much less sarcasm.
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OK, I'll bite - where is this coming from? Where I'm racing, boosted 17.5 is the most popular class?

And is this debate why no one know what classes are going to be offered in Vegas this year?
It's just a hunch. ROAR paved nats will have no boosted classes. After that it's IIC, and whatever Scotty does will be the way forward. I don't claim to have any insight or ideas about what Scotty will choose, but since it's Vegas, I'd bet on blinky.

Again, this is all opinion. I only gave the thread this title for the shock value. I'm just a nobody bouncing my cars off the boards.
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Blinky classes are necessary for any type of electric discipline to survive on or off road.

The "slowest" class at my local track when I picked 1/12 back up was 17.5 with boost being allowed. If I was a complete beginner (which I looked like anyway) I would have sold my equipment after the first two races trying to figure out what I needed to do to keep up let alone win. Had it not been for a few very helpful fast guys I would have been done anyway.

Now we have a 17.5 "Cirtix" (non-boost), 13.5 w/boost and mod classes. I jumped from 17.5 to Mod and now can focus on my driving rather than my programming and tire management/gearing to make sure my timing stays where it was programmed to be.
I see your point Jimmy.
But, how many motors, and Tekins did you need to go from "lost" to "fast" in that timeframe ?

Food for thought
I haven't hurt a motor, or replaced a Tekin since I started nearly 2 years ago.

And yes, Mod 12th is the shizz

On a totally different point.
Why are racers concerned with matching speeds from the old brushed, round cell days.
Every form of motorsport has improved over time.
Chassis are better, tires are better.
imo. The same old slow speeds of old school stock motors, do not apply today.
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Its prolly down to the fact that they see electric has gotten big and now its time to build nitro back up.

So i guess i agree with the folks saying its that time again to sell you something.

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I think people have the wrong idea about using motors to "step up" classes.

1/12 Mod: 9.8
13.5 1/12: 10.4
Mod TC: 11.2
1/12 17.5: 11.5
TC Expert: 11.7
TC Stock: 12.1

These are the best lap times from A3 from each class at the Snowbirds. 1/12 takes top two spots and TC takes bottom two spots. This "should" be how people are advancing through classes. For most club races you could also add VTA which would be at the bottom. This is also saying that 17.5 1/12 scale should not be where newbies are racing as (speedwise) it is a very mid-level class.
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I think people have the wrong idea about using motors to "step up" classes.

1/12 Mod: 9.8
13.5 1/12: 10.4
Mod TC: 11.2
1/12 17.5: 11.5
TC Expert: 11.7
TC Stock: 12.1

These are the best lap times from A3 from each class at the Snowbirds. 1/12 takes top two spots and TC takes bottom two spots. This "should" be how people are advancing through classes. For most club races you could also add VTA which would be at the bottom. This is also saying that 17.5 1/12 scale should not be where newbies are racing as (speedwise) it is a very mid-level class.
You can't compare Sedan to 12th for noobness.
Sedan accelerate, and brakes harder, 12th scale corner faster, and weigh far less.
Apples to oranges.
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