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Old 05-04-2011, 11:06 AM   #421
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blinky does NOT force people to race slow cars, mod is always an option if you think you can drive faster than blinky.....

what kills racing is 15 classes, we need to go back to 2 classes, any two just pick and leave the rules for a few years

one track I run at races oval as well and I just laugh at the result sheet with 10 classes and 3-4 guys in each class. in order to even have a b main they would need over 100 guys

so the slowest guy you always lap 4 times is ALWAYS in your race and never has a chance like he might racing in the b or c main
Its not the number of classes....Offroad has just as many classes if not more and its doing just fine. So its not the number of classes or else offroad would be in the same boat.

Speed, cost and enjoyment....kill classes. Too much speed...too much cost and not enough enjoyment kills classes. Everything else is just fodder for people to complain about.
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Old 05-04-2011, 02:45 PM   #422
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The ESC war i basically over for now. Most ramping ESCs on the market today, are basically equal in speed. Now it is about making them smooth, and making them easy.

Smoothness is always part of the "ESC war".
Some of the ESCs out there today, are very easy to setup. The new LRP is just 1 setting you need to adjust, to adjust the timing. Tekin is getting there, with the built in profiles.

It is not hard anymore, and if we give it some time, it will be even easier. I must admit that the racing today (with boost) is quite equal. The fast guys is still fast.

BUT... I can also see a place for no-boost. But only in classes where it is not only about who wins, but also about the fun and enjoyment. Because if it is "only" about the race and who wins, people will start investing in motors, batteries etc, to gain an advantage.
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I was just reading in another thread and someone brought up an obvious idea. Why don't they go to a breakout type of class? That way it doesn't matter how much power you have, if you go to fast your lap doesn't count. Just a though anyway.
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I was just reading in another thread and someone brought up an obvious idea. Why don't they go to a breakout type of class? That way it doesn't matter how much power you have, if you go to fast your lap doesn't count. Just a though anyway.
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I was just reading in another thread and someone brought up an obvious idea. Why don't they go to a breakout type of class? That way it doesn't matter how much power you have, if you go to fast your lap doesn't count. Just a though anyway.
We have been experimenting with a class like this for the past few months. We race it in addition to our normal TC classes. The racing has been extremely close and there has not been any one car or configuration that appears to be overly dominant. It is a fun class to run when you have a group of people with touring cars that don't really fit into any other class. Whether the formula would work for any other track is anyone's guess.
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I was just reading in another thread and someone brought up an obvious idea. Why don't they go to a breakout type of class? That way it doesn't matter how much power you have, if you go to fast your lap doesn't count. Just a though anyway.
Hell, why don't we do bracket racing? I can run 10.0 consistently, but you can only run a 10.6. So only my laps from 10.1 to 10.6 count, and for you it's 10.6 to 11.1 count.

This doesn't fix anything, it just teaches the faster guys to sandbag. It's a NASCAR, artificially close racing, sorta answer. Makes RC look like the WWE.
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The ESC war i basically over for now. Most ramping ESCs on the market today, are basically equal in speed. Now it is about making them smooth, and making them easy.

Smoothness is always part of the "ESC war".
Some of the ESCs out there today, are very easy to setup. The new LRP is just 1 setting you need to adjust, to adjust the timing. Tekin is getting there, with the built in profiles.

It is not hard anymore, and if we give it some time, it will be even easier. I must admit that the racing today (with boost) is quite equal. The fast guys is still fast.

BUT... I can also see a place for no-boost. But only in classes where it is not only about who wins, but also about the fun and enjoyment. Because if it is "only" about the race and who wins, people will start investing in motors, batteries etc, to gain an advantage.
Agreed.
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We have been experimenting with a class like this for the past few months. We race it in addition to our normal TC classes. The racing has been extremely close and there has not been any one car or configuration that appears to be overly dominant. It is a fun class to run when you have a group of people with touring cars that don't really fit into any other class. Whether the formula would work for any other track is anyone's guess.
It ONLY works there because the class was started and currently has stayed about racing for FUN.......as soon as somebody decides winning is more important than having fun.....or Joe decides to only run 1 class ....then it will become a mess
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It ONLY works there because the class was started and currently has stayed about racing for FUN.......as soon as somebody decides winning is more important than having fun.....or Joe decides to only run 1 class ....then it will become a mess
Thanks for exposing my scheme. I thought adding ten or so more classes would exhaust Joe to the point where I might be able to finally beat him.

Kidding aside you are right about the breakout class being about having fun. We have never portrayed it as a substitute for the other TC classes or suggested other tracks adopt it. What it has done is brought in a few people in who now have upgraded to full spec VTA or TC cars. Given the current state of on-road in our area every extra racer makes a difference.

Anyway, I think I got sidetracked. Aren't we supposed to be discussing whether boost is dead or not?
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When I hear breakout I think of super comp drag racing 8.90 index. Used to love back in the day, great class for the budget racer to go fast. The came computers, when I hear a drag car shut down or start studdering half way down the track, I go get a hot dog and walk around. That's not racing. IMO
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When I hear breakout I think of super comp drag racing 8.90 index. Used to love back in the day, great class for the budget racer to go fast. The came computers, when I hear a drag car shut down or start studdering half way down the track, I go get a hot dog and walk around. That's not racing. IMO
+1 Its not racing. They had something like this in a local oval series and it was painful to watch...more so then Oval is on its own
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The ESC war i basically over for now. Most ramping ESCs on the market today, are basically equal in speed. Now it is about making them smooth, and making them easy.

Smoothness is always part of the "ESC war".
Some of the ESCs out there today, are very easy to setup. The new LRP is just 1 setting you need to adjust, to adjust the timing. Tekin is getting there, with the built in profiles.

It is not hard anymore, and if we give it some time, it will be even easier. I must admit that the racing today (with boost) is quite equal. The fast guys is still fast.

BUT... I can also see a place for no-boost. But only in classes where it is not only about who wins, but also about the fun and enjoyment. Because if it is "only" about the race and who wins, people will start investing in motors, batteries etc, to gain an advantage.
Agreed. I will say that the orca and the LRP controllers are the easiest to setup boost wise. Both deliver great top speed performance equal to Tekin or the other boosted ESC's. However in terms of drivability the Orca controller is the smoothest I have used. Better than LRP, Tekin, Novak, and even the KO BMC. And smooth is fast.
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As I said before .... there's a reason why companies haven't been developing new advanced firmware, money. They aren't selling very many when all you do is update software rather than buy a new ESC. Blinky class also put a dampener on the cash flow since sub hundred dollar ESCs are now competitive. There is also a movement to get rid of boost from all classes. Why would a ESC company invest resources into tech that may get banned from big races?


Now ... if boost was let back in .. They have financial incentive to develop the software. At this point all gloves are off and the company with the best firmware sells the most ESCs. At this point firmware will get more advanced no matter how much you wanna pretend it won't.

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