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Old 04-06-2011, 01:02 PM   #1
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Default 1/12 pan car advice!

hi guys,

here i m again with some question!
i m currently running my db5 in 13,5 stock class and i' m really enjoying it!
stock races are always fun!

however i m planning to get even a 12th pan car, it would be just for fun and training (i think it can improve your driving), no races!
i m wondering which electr. i should buy,
i allready have an lrp octa wind 5,5
which i m going to use on the car, this is my only stable point,

than i will also run 1s lipo, so the real question is which esc should i take??

considering i have a futaba 4pk...which do you suggest in order to run perfect??

thank you so much to everyone will answer!
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Old 04-06-2011, 01:57 PM   #2
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Just about all of the 1/12 scale pan cars on the market now are solid. Get whatever you can get parts for.

If you're just starting out in 1/12 scale, a 5.5 motor isn't the way to go. You'll destroy the car in short order. Seriously consider something like a 17.5, or turn your throttle EPA down to about 25%. Several top stock (17.5) 1/12 scale drivers recently switched to 1/12 mod class and were having a difficult time with it.
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Just about all of the 1/12 scale pan cars on the market now are solid. Get whatever you can get parts for.

If you're just starting out in 1/12 scale, a 5.5 motor isn't the way to go. You'll destroy the car in short order. Seriously consider something like a 17.5, or turn your throttle EPA down to about 25%. Several top stock (17.5) 1/12 scale drivers recently switched to 1/12 mod class and were having a difficult time with it.
is it true even with only one cell lipo??

somebody told me that the motor should be very low (4- 4.5- 5) because an higher motor wont push enough with 1s!

in this case i also have a spare 10.5, i can try that one on at first.

which esc do it is recomanded?
a particular type for 1cell lipo right??
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:28 PM   #4
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Yes, even true with only 1s Lipo.

You can use any ESC with 1s Lipo, but unless you're using they latest LRP (with a built in voltage booster in the BEC), you'll need a Rx pack or an external voltage booster (to run the servo, Rx, and transponder, if you're using one).

Some locals use LRP, some Tekin, some Castle, some Hobbywing.

Even a 10.5 is a bit much to start out with in 1/12 scale.
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Yes, even true with only 1s Lipo.

You can use any ESC with 1s Lipo, but unless you're using they latest LRP (with a built in voltage booster in the BEC), you'll need a Rx pack or an external voltage booster (to run the servo, Rx, and transponder, if you're using one).

Some locals use LRP, some Tekin, some Castle, some Hobbywing.

Even a 10.5 is a bit much to start out with in 1/12 scale.

however is the only other spare motor i have, i m not gonna buy one more!

so lrp/nosram V2 are the way to go, i do not want to add any booster etc..

which servo would you recommend?

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Old 04-06-2011, 02:54 PM   #6
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Futaba 9650, Futaba BLS651, and KO PDS-951 are solid servos.
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All good advice so far. Yes, even on 1S, properly set up 12ths are amazingly fast! Newbies often have trouble controlling a 10.5, anything wilder is just asking to spend lots of money repairing a destroyed car. They're fast, but fragile. A typical 12th race has an attrition rate of about 1 in 3!
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Boosted, 10.5 is as quick as mod. No boost, it is still really quick but quite controllable, especially with conservative gearing.
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I ran 17.5 boosted to start with and if rollout is spot on,think I had mine at around 80mmpr it was plenty fast enough. I then went to 10.5 no boost and 10.5 boosted. I now run mod 5.5 and to be honest it's no a great deal quicker than 10.5 boosted on most tracks, but it's slot easier to drive in my opinion. And this is how the majority of racers at our club are also heading.
My advice would be to run higher turns till you get used to the handling the slowly creep up.
With respect to damage all I have broken in 1 year is a rear axal on my x11.
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however is the only other spare motor i have, i m not gonna buy one more!

so lrp/nosram V2 are the way to go, i do not want to add any booster etc..

which servo would you recommend?

thanks
Hobbywing also has a 1s optimized speed controller which doesn't require a booster or receiver pack. It can also be used in 2S setups in case you decide to use it in a different car. I've been running one for a few months without issue.
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Add the JR 3650 to your list of servos.

Speed Passion also makes a 1 cell specific speed control with built in BEC: the GT v2.1 EX.
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Futaba 9650, Futaba BLS651, and KO PDS-951 are solid servos.
how does the bls651 compare to the 9650? it looks to be a digital plastic gear servo. does the brushless motor have a noticeable performance benefit or is it more of a durability effect. (seems like metal gear would be my preferred improvement on the 9650)
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The 9650 is tough as nails, and has high quality electronics. I've managed to destroy two servo savers, and the 9650 gears are still smooth as silk, and centers perfectly. I've also run a JR 3550 and 3650, prefer the 9650.

If your speed control needs a booster, the TQ product is top notch. The Novak SmartBoost works (as long as you READ the directions and set it up right!!!), too, but is really only suitable for something 10.5 boosted or less.
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Novak booster is fine for all motor turns if you remove the lipo cutoff from it. I have the diagram if anyone wants it. Simply snip the cut off out and that's it.
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All good advice so far. Yes, even on 1S, properly set up 12ths are amazingly fast! Newbies often have trouble controlling a 10.5, anything wilder is just asking to spend lots of money repairing a destroyed car. They're fast, but fragile. A typical 12th race has an attrition rate of about 1 in 3!

lol!
this sounds creepy!!

i don t wonna destroy my car!!
think i will set a conservative gearing at first in order to get used to the speed!

do you think driving a 1/12 is a good training even for your 1/10 touring car??
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