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Old 10-09-2013, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthRacer View Post
As an alternative to the hard to find Losi LCDs, the steel universals for the Nitro TC3 work. I'm running them after trashing a set of the stock composite drives using a spool. No issues to report with the TC3 units.
Are the NTC3 ones the same lengths? Do they have more throw than the TC4 ones?
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:19 PM
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Are the NTC3 ones the same lengths? Do they have more throw than the TC4 ones?
Same length, no fitment issues or modding necessary.
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Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
Any news on the dc4 le progress ???
I am stiffening the car with each run. The car is responding to changes predictably, and I am getting closer to finding how it wants to run and driving it properly. Tomorrow is the first day of qualifying, so no more sandbagging.
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Originally Posted by DarthRacer View Post
As an alternative to the hard to find Losi LCDs, the steel universals for the Nitro TC3 work. I'm running them after trashing a set of the stock composite drives using a spool. No issues to report with the TC3 units.
Good to know! do these use M4 lockouts like current TC's or the same lockouts that come with TC4?

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I am stiffening the car with each run. The car is responding to changes predictably, and I am getting closer to finding how it wants to run and driving it properly. Tomorrow is the first day of qualifying, so no more sandbagging.
I ran my TC4 twice on carpet in VTA class and same there...the stiffer and lower the car got the faster the lap times. I think at the end I was on all out thickest sway bars front and rear with very hard springs front and back (do not remember the colors unfortunate but they were hard)

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The club racer comes with four degree castor blocks....
Found a blow up diagram for TC4 club and on that the part number for the castor block matches with the -0- degree part
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mugler View Post
Good to know! do these use M4 lockouts like current TC's or the same lockouts that come with TC4?
It uses the same nuts that come with the TC4.
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Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
I also forgot to add:
17) throttle expo probably not advanced
18) throttle trim not advanced(increases corner speed)
19) throttle acceleration not advanced
20) esc minimum drive not advanced
.........after tweakin these twenty steps, you should be able to knockoff at least 1.5seconds per lap...just sayin....
How do you lighten tires?
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A lot of work for a TC4, but if you like to tinker............
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I think the only real problem the DC4LE has is that the chassis is too wide, but that can be fixed with a bandsaw and sander. I kept dragging the edge of the chassis, but I think it was the bump on the sweeper that was rubbing, not during normal cornering.

I won the C-main, car was really not 'better' but was driveable with dry tires, at least for the first few minutes then I trac-rolled it again, twice. The grip was just too high insane high, hell, it was too high for 1/12 scale. If you tried to run the car normally even an inline-chassis 1/12 car would just roll over. Even with dry tires running after 10 laps they were so sticky if you unbolted it from the car it would just about adhere to the underside of the table!

Hopefully there will be a few changes for less grip next year. I think it makes for better racing to look for grip and handling instead of looking for less and traction roll.
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Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
but I still think setup and shock oil thickness is the key here.... I only use 80wt oil in my tc4's....
Holy cow 80wt? What springs do you run and on what type of surface?

Where I run we have a concrete track, surface similar to asphalt, and we are running oil wts from 25 to 35 (AE) and springs from green to blue (AE).
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I think our track is just way too tight for that kind of setup. We need the car to react quickly but be controllable. I tune to get as much steering as I can, then tune to prevent the rear from stepping out. Just on the edge of control.
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Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
Also another good aspect of 80wt oil is that it keeps the Car in a crouched position longer in the chicanes, which lowers the CG for longer through directional changes, while lightweight oils allow the Car to pop back up too Quick, raising the CG too fast, and causing traction roll issues... It's my theory though...lol...
I think that is where your hide height and droop settings come into play, but maybe someone will chime in and correct us both!
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Unless you're going to start using Losi shocks, pistons, and springs... my setup is useless.
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Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
Just for the record,
Tc4 tub chassis width: 116mm
Tc4 FT chassis width : 110.3mm
Awesomatix EX : 99mm
Dc4 le chassis width : 100+???mm
Xray t4 chassis : 94mm
Xray T4 Rsd chassis : 85mm
So maybe the dc4 le should be as thin as 84mm !!!
Wrong. Even narrow chassis' will still rub. And to be honest I doubt this was your problem . also 80wt oil is a band aid for a bad setup. I see your posts and just shake my head sometimes.
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Originally Posted by DesertRat View Post
Unless you're going to start using Losi shocks, pistons, and springs... my setup is useless.
Please post your Vegas setup i would like to see where it could be improved.
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Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
Narrower Chassis that rub at higher corner speed are the ones we need for the dc4 le...... Forget the rubbing part, and embrace the higher corner speed.... I guess an 80mm chassis should be next !!! We need all the possibilities (wide/narrow) out there to further develop the tc4 platform... The thinnest chassis in the industry should be the goal here...
I actually was talking to a buddy last night about other parts to develop as we have had a lot of success with these platforms as of late. now the question is how many of you would like a narrower lipo specific chassis ?? what about a narrow lipo specific chassis with a floating top deck?
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