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Old 03-12-2011, 05:47 PM   #151
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The most popular class (SCAR) at my local track(LOU'S) uses the 1/10 pan chassis with the 25.5 and Novak ESC (same as VTA), spec battery (Orion 2400 2s lipo), and spec foam tires, with a 200mm HPI 4 seater body. The class is faster than VTA and the car far easier and cheaper to setup. Very comparable to WGT cars speed wise with out the expensive battery or ESC programming. We actually run the 2 classes together in a challenge style race. With 8 minute heats and mains.


Anyone that wants to try a different class say VTA just needs a TC chassis. Wanna run WGT different motor, batt, esc.

The bodies look like real cars, not so fast to be hard to drive or break when things are hit. Easy chassis setup. Cheap tires.
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Hey Guys, a lot of good discussion this time around! These threads seem to go sideways sometimes as most of us are advocates of R/C and sometimes expressing that through a keyboard doesn't come out right!

Anyway, Rob King, Darkside, Yang and others have been through alot of this from several perspectives. I got to run VTA with Scottrik and the Billings MT guys when they first started the class with robk, fun stuff, well developed class!

I'm now, without realizing it, part of an effort aimed at reviving On-Road. My local club needs to get a crowd involved so we can bring in some new members. It's not easy for a small club to do something to organize a big event! We've teamed up with our Kart Racing Club and are producing a Motorsports Expo. As part of the show, we are putting on a 2-day race. The Feature "crowd pleaser" class is the "Bomber Class". This is a recently invented formation by Bob Stormer as a class to stack up a crowd specifically at a car show or Expo. The host club runs the event in a similar fashion to te Oval Racing that takes place at the Snowbirds. Here is a link to another event in ND where they are running this new "Car Show Race" event about three weeks prior to ours. http://www.rctech.net/forum/minnesot...rpet-race.html

The thought is, to get people interested, you have to attract attention! Bob's idea has the appeal of the original era VTA class, with Oval Course style that most folks at a car show or Expo identify with. We'll let you know how our show goes, but I'd bet Carpet clubs doing races at big indoor car shows and motorsports expos is going to be the way to go in the future. You just have to get in front of a big crowd if you want to attract attention to our sport, this looks to be a great way to do it! Like Yang said earlier, you need newbies that will pay the investment cost, then spend the money needed to run year after year. Stop trying to find a way to low ball the sport so much. Find the right crowd with "racers" in it and you'll get long-term members. I think it's great to keep costs down and even up the speeds in the classes, no problem with that at all! Just don't forget about trying to find a way to attract the right type of new member.

The attachment is the R/C flyer for our race.

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i understand when people say tc is too expensive. i almost agree. but my perspective is that tc compared to 1/12 is too expensive. i still have over $1000 into my 1/12 and radio. I am not including the tools and other support stuff. if i were to swap for a tc, i guess it would be $1300-$1500. and then the recuring cost would prob go up another $100-$200/month. but for a newbie entering, they need to know these costs.

RC is not the only hobby that I have been involved in. before this i love to track my 1:1. i am not talking full race, just track events. this was lots of fun. I did about 6 events a year. it was more expensive then rc, i can tell you. just tires alone, it ran $2200 a set. you go through about 2 sets a year. plus every event they require a safety inspection be done on the car and all fluids be replaces. that was a good $300 each event. event cost was $300 and then the hotel for the evening. and that was every other month. not to speak of brake pads, brake rotors, and other consumables. and guess what? each even was limited to 400 people. the last event i ran was 2 years ago. if you did not sign up in the first week, your were probably not going to particiate in the event. oh, and btw, this was all BMW and Porche's for these events. so tell me that $$$ was an issue for these guys.

reason i stopped was not the cost, but RC was every weekend and gave me the chance to learn setup. hard to do setup on a 1:1 every other month on a different track each time. yes membership has dropped in SCCA, but event are still full.

previous to that, I shot olympic archery, long story short, i had my bow bag stollen. there was 2 full setups in there. and after going through insurance, the total was $12,000. some of the stuff was not even for sale. i had stuff only the US team had. and i was doing this in college. the sport was small, the olympic trials that i participated in had a total of 300 competitors in the US. that included men and women. you had to qualify, so that was not the whole membership. a starting setup would prob run you $3000-$4000.

and the list goes on and on. as I talked to different people with different hobbies, i have not found very many that say their hobbies are "cheap". most that invest a good portion of their time, also invest a good amount of $$$. and when i compared cost and initial investment with them, usually rc is on the lower end of the scale

i think the thing to remember is that people invest at different levels. but to have guys that show week to week and are there to make a race program grow, they are probably the guys that invest $400-$500 a month these are the anchors of the program. we have guys that are there every club race and probably invest $100-$200. those are the core or foundation of the program. but the guys that show every so often are not the ones we look to "grow" our program. as a matter of fact, these are the guys that tend to kill the program. the eb and flow guys tend to take racers out of the program. they are great when they are there, but when they leave, a couple people that were the foundation drop away.

i am not proposing to tell the newbie that they need all the top of the line gear and their initial investment is $2000-$2500. but be realistic. it is going to cost $600-$700 to get what you need to race an rc car. if you want, you can go used. I usually tell people, especially when they are starting out to figure in $100-$200 a month in recuring. that is race fees and cost of consumables. this is for 1/12. TC for a newbie is prob in the $300 range. factoring the fact that parts will break. funny thing, if you lower the cost of rc as a whole, so that people have little initial investment and little recurring cost, attendance will not improave. people just have less invested so, they invest less time. I think Mike's hobbyshop has proved this time and time again. at one point the shop put 6 cars together for people to run, they just had to sign up. they did not even have to pay for parts. guess what, even the people that enjoyed running the cars and said they would be back the next club race to do it again, they never showed up again. people need to be invested to come back.

It's funny, THINGS THAT ARE FREE ARE JUST NOT WORTH OUR TIME.
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The most popular class (SCAR) at my local track(LOU'S) uses the 1/10 pan chassis with the 25.5 and Novak ESC (same as VTA), spec battery (Orion 2400 2s lipo), and spec foam tires, with a 200mm HPI 4 seater body. The class is faster than VTA and the car far easier and cheaper to setup. Very comparable to WGT cars speed wise with out the expensive battery or ESC programming. We actually run the 2 classes together in a challenge style race. With 8 minute heats and mains.


Anyone that wants to try a different class say VTA just needs a TC chassis. Wanna run WGT different motor, batt, esc.

The bodies look like real cars, not so fast to be hard to drive or break when things are hit. Easy chassis setup. Cheap tires.
Wish we had that class (or a variation of) around our way.
The thing that kept me from going wgt was the need for new
packs/boosters ect.

1/10 pan car 2s with a 25.5 sounds like great fun.
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It's funny, THINGS THAT ARE FREE ARE JUST NOT WORTH OUR TIME.
Your missing a point to your position, because RC 'can' be cheap-er than other, well lets just say racing sports in general, it attracts people less able to afford anything more (this includes a lot of family people), unfortunately this means if costs escalate, they often have to walk away.

But, in truth what I think makes the most people walk away, is the complex levels of many things in rc, and difficulty gaining the skills to keep up with their equipment setup, with the final leap being a rewarding consistent on track performance, that will make them want to come back even more.

Who else has seen guys not able to make it click, so just give up short of having it come together?.
But then how the heck do you fix that?.
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The most popular class (SCAR) at my local track(LOU'S) uses the 1/10 pan chassis with the 25.5 and Novak ESC (same as VTA), spec battery (Orion 2400 2s lipo), and spec foam tires, with a 200mm HPI 4 seater body. The class is faster than VTA and the car far easier and cheaper to setup. Very comparable to WGT cars speed wise with out the expensive battery or ESC programming. We actually run the 2 classes together in a challenge style race. With 8 minute heats and mains.


Anyone that wants to try a different class say VTA just needs a TC chassis. Wanna run WGT different motor, batt, esc.

The bodies look like real cars, not so fast to be hard to drive or break when things are hit. Easy chassis setup. Cheap tires.
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Wish we had that class (or a variation of) around our way.
The thing that kept me from going wgt was the need for new
packs/boosters ect.

1/10 pan car 2s with a 25.5 sounds like great fun.
1s lipo cost less than 2 cell
If a booster or rec pack is keeping you away from WGT or 12th, you really don't know the fun you are missing out on.
Also, there are a number of esc that can run 1s without external booster.

Some of the more popular races at our local track are WGT 13.5-nr & 12th 17.5-nr
These are very fun, low cost, low maintenance classes to run, and a great way to get new racers started.
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1s lipo cost less than 2 cell
If a booster or rec pack is keeping you away from WGT or 12th, you really don't know the fun you are missing out on.
Also, there are a number of esc that can run 1s without external booster.

Some of the more popular races at our local track are WGT 13.5-nr & 12th 17.5-nr
These are very fun, low cost, low maintenance classes to run, and a great way to get new racers started.
What he said!
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1s lipo cost less than 2 cell
If a booster or rec pack is keeping you away from WGT or 12th, you really don't know the fun you are missing out on.
Also, there are a number of esc that can run 1s without external booster.

Some of the more popular races at our local track are WGT 13.5-nr & 12th 17.5-nr
These are very fun, low cost, low maintenance classes to run, and a great way to get new racers started.
what does -nr mean?
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what does -nr mean?
nr = non ramping
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The xpress had a super free drive train. Better than the TC3. Do they have parts too. Might pick one up and see if I can fit a lipo battery in it and run the reedy race with it..
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1s lipo cost less than 2 cell
If a booster or rec pack is keeping you away from WGT or 12th, you really don't know the fun you are missing out on.
Also, there are a number of esc that can run 1s without external booster.

Some of the more popular races at our local track are WGT 13.5-nr & 12th 17.5-nr
These are very fun, low cost, low maintenance classes to run, and a great way to get new racers started.
What's really keeping me from running it (WGT) is that it died at my local track. By the time I started looking at the series everyone had sold off their cars.
From talking to some of the drivers that ran the class,one of the problems were the magenta tires did not work very good on the outdoor track.
People sort of lost interest and by winter the class was dead.

I liked the (scar) idea of being able to use packs/motors ect. that most of us have on hand already.Seemed in line with the topic.
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What's really keeping me from running it (WGT) is that it died at my local track. By the time I started looking at the series everyone had sold off their cars.
From talking to some of the drivers that ran the class,one of the problems were the magenta tires did not work very good on the outdoor track.
People sort of lost interest and by winter the class was dead.

I liked the (scar) idea of being able to use packs/motors ect. that most of us have on hand already.Seemed in line with the topic.
The spec tires are an issue on some outdoor tracks.

If there was enough interest we could spec a different tire for that (White Rear), but the only place that I see WGT's running here is at our carpet track
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Exactly the VTA motor esc are easy to find used, not expensive new, easy to set up. The 2s battery we use is like $60 and the tires are $20 a pair. I have been running the same tires for over a month now, 4 mains, 8 heats(tires were used when I got car).
The fronts are almost toast, the rears good for at least another month. We run the same car/setup on asphalt in the summer no problems.

I have less than $400.00 in my whole set-up all bought used except transponder.
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The "expense" discussion made for very interesting reading, and I just wanted to throw another $0.02 into the wishing well.

All hobbies can be expensive. Mountain biking, hiking, camping, hunting, fishing, competitive shooting, golf, rock climbing, etc(and god forbid fullsize auto racing)....all CAN be expensive. Will the guy who spends $30k on a new fishing boat catch more fish than the guy who still uses grandpa's old john boat? Maybe. Maybe not. A racer can spend 1/2 the cost (compared to new) on a used TC chassis and beat the snot out of the latest and greatest. Happens at our club pretty often.

RC racing is a pretty reasonably priced hobby. For the cost of a new PS3 and a couple games, a person can get into RC comfortably. Seriously, what else can you do all afternoon or evening for around $10? (after the initial cost).

If a person decides the hobby isn't for them, they can usually liquidate and generate enough cash to take up something else.
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