Serpent S411
#6091
I race my 411 FF in 17.5 blinky class up against 4wd chassis during 2012/2013 indoor carpet season at our local club. While I am always finish top 5 of the blinky class but it is impossible to beat other racers at my skill level driving a 4wd chassis and with decent setup. Unless you are exceptionally skilled, a tough battle is awaiting for you Being a FWD car, you want to get the weight bias toward the font of the car as much as possible. You are also welcome to try my FF setup here
BTW, I have the most fun with the 411 FF even when I hardly win any races with it
BTW, I have the most fun with the 411 FF even when I hardly win any races with it
Last edited by Eddie M; 12-02-2013 at 09:22 PM.
#6092
Tech Addict
iTrader: (8)
I race my 411 FF in 17.5 blinky class up against 4wd chassis during 2012/2013 indoor carpet season at our local club. While I am always finish top 5 of the blinky class but it is impossible to beat other racers at my skill level driving a 4wd chassis and with decent setup. Unless you are exceptionally skilled, a tough battle is awaiting for you Being a FWD car, you want to get the weight bias toward the font of the car as much as possible. You are also welcome to try my FF setup here
BTW, I have the most fun with the 411 FF even when I hardly win any races with it
BTW, I have the most fun with the 411 FF even when I hardly win any races with it
#6094
Tech Apprentice
"high" and "low" Diff/Spool
Yesterday we had our 3rd round in the MSEC cup in Sweden. Needles to say indoor at this part of the year in Sweden :-)
I had no consistence in the race. One fast lap in each round, but that will not make a race :-(
I am still running one of my older Eryx chassies. I have not "been able" yet to get the new chassie not to bind in the plastic, but also in the front axle in the hub. I think that is maybe sorted out now. I put in a Kyosho outer hub bearing. This bearing has a smaller wall between the balls and the wall. I will know when I try. I can get it to move freely but coming in after one run the axle is not running freely and I need to take it appart again. My thought is that the plastic "wall" between the inner and outer bearíng is thicker and makes the pin "ride" on the bearingwalls. There is no slack that you could have in older kits and you needed to shim to get rid of the play.
I have the idea that the plastic that comes with the kit should be able to use, not need to put in parts from the spare bags...
I learned a new tuning option yesterday. The team Xray drivers are using the possibility to have the diff in high/normal and low positon to dial in the balance. I will try it when I get my new chassie to "work"
I had no consistence in the race. One fast lap in each round, but that will not make a race :-(
I am still running one of my older Eryx chassies. I have not "been able" yet to get the new chassie not to bind in the plastic, but also in the front axle in the hub. I think that is maybe sorted out now. I put in a Kyosho outer hub bearing. This bearing has a smaller wall between the balls and the wall. I will know when I try. I can get it to move freely but coming in after one run the axle is not running freely and I need to take it appart again. My thought is that the plastic "wall" between the inner and outer bearíng is thicker and makes the pin "ride" on the bearingwalls. There is no slack that you could have in older kits and you needed to shim to get rid of the play.
I have the idea that the plastic that comes with the kit should be able to use, not need to put in parts from the spare bags...
I learned a new tuning option yesterday. The team Xray drivers are using the possibility to have the diff in high/normal and low positon to dial in the balance. I will try it when I get my new chassie to "work"
#6095
Tech Elite
iTrader: (13)
was working on my 2012 TE the other day and i swear you have GOT to do somthing about the spur gear mount system. its very pretty and im sure its very strong but changing the spur takes a bit of time.
on my spec r "$89" i can change it in a minute. almost possible to pull into the pits and have it changed while still finishing the race.
but.. minor grievance asside..
excited to finally dust it off the shelf and run it at WCICS5 victoria!. i havent run it since summer and our outdoor trophy race. qualified 5th and finished 5th. but the peoples ahead of me were.. like.. keith yu.. blake bell, dave elrich.. korgae.. so i take that 5th with a big grin!
Our carpet is pretty new, was virgin at last years event. we will be running a sweep true blue control tire. any suggestions for starting setup with a 4.5 motor?
this car is kind of a dinosaur now i suppose.
on my spec r "$89" i can change it in a minute. almost possible to pull into the pits and have it changed while still finishing the race.
but.. minor grievance asside..
excited to finally dust it off the shelf and run it at WCICS5 victoria!. i havent run it since summer and our outdoor trophy race. qualified 5th and finished 5th. but the peoples ahead of me were.. like.. keith yu.. blake bell, dave elrich.. korgae.. so i take that 5th with a big grin!
Our carpet is pretty new, was virgin at last years event. we will be running a sweep true blue control tire. any suggestions for starting setup with a 4.5 motor?
this car is kind of a dinosaur now i suppose.
#6096
Tech Apprentice
Our carpet is pretty new, was virgin at last years event. we will be running a sweep true blue control tire. any suggestions for starting setup with a 4.5 motor?
this car is kind of a dinosaur now i suppose.[/QUOTE]
Maybe my advise of setup is not that valid given my last post :-)
But from a general point of view I think the grip that you have are similar to that we run on.
Front
2 toeblock front and rear
Short upper arm (4mm,0mm)
6 droop on block
Yokomo Pink
3 hole 400 (ss-shocks)
Postition 4
RH 5.2
Camber ~1.75
Spool
1.4mm swaybar
Rear
0.5 front 3.5 rear
Long upper am 3mm,2mm
5 droop on block
Yokomo Blue
3 hole 350 (ss-shocks)
Position 4
RH 5.4
Camber ~1.75
V3 diff 2000 to 3000
1.4mm swaybar outer position
112/27 gearing with TP 4.5 and 5 to 20 in turbo/boost (HW3) dependent on the track.
this car is kind of a dinosaur now i suppose.[/QUOTE]
Maybe my advise of setup is not that valid given my last post :-)
But from a general point of view I think the grip that you have are similar to that we run on.
Front
2 toeblock front and rear
Short upper arm (4mm,0mm)
6 droop on block
Yokomo Pink
3 hole 400 (ss-shocks)
Postition 4
RH 5.2
Camber ~1.75
Spool
1.4mm swaybar
Rear
0.5 front 3.5 rear
Long upper am 3mm,2mm
5 droop on block
Yokomo Blue
3 hole 350 (ss-shocks)
Position 4
RH 5.4
Camber ~1.75
V3 diff 2000 to 3000
1.4mm swaybar outer position
112/27 gearing with TP 4.5 and 5 to 20 in turbo/boost (HW3) dependent on the track.
#6097
Tech Elite
iTrader: (13)
THank you for the response =)
the biggest difference between that and my default seems to be dif oil thickness and springrate. im running serpent yellow/grey combo with stock RCM shocks. not sure how the hole vs short shocks compare but i tend to run inner holes for the front and middle hole for the rear. same oils you have, same roll centers.
dont have the toe blocks listed.
ah well. we will see how much my vrc training has paid off this year.
the biggest difference between that and my default seems to be dif oil thickness and springrate. im running serpent yellow/grey combo with stock RCM shocks. not sure how the hole vs short shocks compare but i tend to run inner holes for the front and middle hole for the rear. same oils you have, same roll centers.
dont have the toe blocks listed.
ah well. we will see how much my vrc training has paid off this year.
#6098
Tech Apprentice
THank you for the response =)
the biggest difference between that and my default seems to be dif oil thickness and springrate. im running serpent yellow/grey combo with stock RCM shocks. not sure how the hole vs short shocks compare but i tend to run inner holes for the front and middle hole for the rear. same oils you have, same roll centers.
dont have the toe blocks listed.
ah well. we will see how much my vrc training has paid off this year.
the biggest difference between that and my default seems to be dif oil thickness and springrate. im running serpent yellow/grey combo with stock RCM shocks. not sure how the hole vs short shocks compare but i tend to run inner holes for the front and middle hole for the rear. same oils you have, same roll centers.
dont have the toe blocks listed.
ah well. we will see how much my vrc training has paid off this year.
#6099
Tech Adept
Hey,
in the future i will be at some practices together with marc fischer - as already in the past, some month ago. Just had a small break ^^
I know him very well and i'm driving for serpent, too. Maybe someone have some questions about marc's cars where i can help. usually, i'm not visiting rctech every day but i will do it at least 1 time per week.
Yesterday we tried already the new 6GX. In my opinion it's a good overall body, has more stability as the speed6 (especially mid-corner at rear) and also more steering but has sometimes too much "bite" for carpet-racing. Seems to be a good choice for low-grip carpet tracks or asphalt.
in the future i will be at some practices together with marc fischer - as already in the past, some month ago. Just had a small break ^^
I know him very well and i'm driving for serpent, too. Maybe someone have some questions about marc's cars where i can help. usually, i'm not visiting rctech every day but i will do it at least 1 time per week.
Yesterday we tried already the new 6GX. In my opinion it's a good overall body, has more stability as the speed6 (especially mid-corner at rear) and also more steering but has sometimes too much "bite" for carpet-racing. Seems to be a good choice for low-grip carpet tracks or asphalt.
#6100
Hey,
in the future i will be at some practices together with marc fischer - as already in the past, some month ago. Just had a small break ^^
I know him very well and i'm driving for serpent, too. Maybe someone have some questions about marc's cars where i can help. usually, i'm not visiting rctech every day but i will do it at least 1 time per week.
Yesterday we tried already the new 6GX. In my opinion it's a good overall body, has more stability as the speed6 (especially mid-corner at rear) and also more steering but has sometimes too much "bite" for carpet-racing. Seems to be a good choice for low-grip carpet tracks or asphalt.
in the future i will be at some practices together with marc fischer - as already in the past, some month ago. Just had a small break ^^
I know him very well and i'm driving for serpent, too. Maybe someone have some questions about marc's cars where i can help. usually, i'm not visiting rctech every day but i will do it at least 1 time per week.
Yesterday we tried already the new 6GX. In my opinion it's a good overall body, has more stability as the speed6 (especially mid-corner at rear) and also more steering but has sometimes too much "bite" for carpet-racing. Seems to be a good choice for low-grip carpet tracks or asphalt.
-what is his basic setup at the moment?
-does he use "new" hard plastics and hard 2.0mm chassis?
-how much steering throw does he use?(angle of inside wheel)
-on the radio, what other settings does he use
-what rebound in the shocks?
-shock o rings and diff outdrive o rings, what is he using?
-why doesnt he glue the tire side walls on very high traction? at least last time I saw him in last years ets race, he did not prefer, but it is really hard to drive without traction roll.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
thanks!
#6101
hi, I have plenty of questions for you about marc's car based on high traction carpet(ets), I hope you dont mind
-what is his basic setup at the moment?
-does he use "new" hard plastics and hard 2.0mm chassis?
-how much steering throw does he use?(angle of inside wheel)
-on the radio, what other settings does he use
-what rebound in the shocks?
-shock o rings and diff outdrive o rings, what is he using?
-why doesnt he glue the tire side walls on very high traction? at least last time I saw him in last years ets race, he did not prefer, but it is really hard to drive without traction roll.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
thanks!
-what is his basic setup at the moment?
-does he use "new" hard plastics and hard 2.0mm chassis?
-how much steering throw does he use?(angle of inside wheel)
-on the radio, what other settings does he use
-what rebound in the shocks?
-shock o rings and diff outdrive o rings, what is he using?
-why doesnt he glue the tire side walls on very high traction? at least last time I saw him in last years ets race, he did not prefer, but it is really hard to drive without traction roll.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
thanks!
#6102
Tech Adept
hi, I have plenty of questions for you about marc's car based on high traction carpet(ets), I hope you dont mind
-what is his basic setup at the moment?
-does he use "new" hard plastics and hard 2.0mm chassis?
-how much steering throw does he use?(angle of inside wheel)
-on the radio, what other settings does he use
-what rebound in the shocks?
-shock o rings and diff outdrive o rings, what is he using?
-why doesnt he glue the tire side walls on very high traction? at least last time I saw him in last years ets race, he did not prefer, but it is really hard to drive without traction roll.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
thanks!
-what is his basic setup at the moment?
-does he use "new" hard plastics and hard 2.0mm chassis?
-how much steering throw does he use?(angle of inside wheel)
-on the radio, what other settings does he use
-what rebound in the shocks?
-shock o rings and diff outdrive o rings, what is he using?
-why doesnt he glue the tire side walls on very high traction? at least last time I saw him in last years ets race, he did not prefer, but it is really hard to drive without traction roll.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
thanks!
he haven't changed a lot since the last races/month. Just use his Snowbird Setup as base, it's very similar. Normally Toe-Blocks 2/1.5 or 1.5/1.5, rear 0/3 or 0.5/3.0 - with splitted blocks all the time. Lower & Higher Rollcenter are exactly the same as there, diff etc. too. Springs Yokomo Pink/Blue, but sometimes he is trying around with serpent springs - they're working good too. Some teamdrivers here are saying they're often easier to drive, but the yokomo springs are sometimes a tenth faster :P Camber 1,5° around. Droop mostly 6/5, 5.5/4.5 - depends on Track.
-does he use "new" hard plastics and hard 2.0mm chassis?
Yes, he is using the new hard 2.0mm chassis - for him the best choice for carpet, but he says to me it seems to be good for asphalt, too. It's very interesting, this thinner chassis is really harder different carbon fibre layout. Plastic Parts he is using all hard parts - wishbones, c-hubs, uprights.
-how much steering throw does he use?(angle of inside wheel)
he always using maximum steering throw, it's his driving style - often a bit harder than ronald as example. I think it's maybe of his 1:12 pan cars time, he can't have enough steering - he likes if the rear of the car is a bit crazy It's very interesting to see him driving, 1-2mm at the steering wheel and he is driving through a hairpin
-on the radio, what other settings does he use
nothing special, no TH-expo etc. Sometimes he is using a bit steering negative expo, that's it.
-what rebound in the shocks?
he is trying a bit around with this on every track, sometimes zero rebound, sometimes 1-2mm rebound. usually, never more than 2mm.
-shock o rings and diff outdrive o rings, what is he using?
- kit o-rings he said to me but wanna try some different/new soon.
-why doesnt he glue the tire side walls on very high traction? at least last time I saw him in last years ets race, he did not prefer, but it is really hard to drive without traction roll.
He don't like it because it isn't looking cool Simple as it is, he is everytime trying to compensate this through setup & driving skills. If he really have no other chance, then he glue the walls.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
He tried it already and if i remember right the higher position had less grip and the car feels a bit more unpredictable. He prefer's the default diff position currently, but maybe he have to try around with this on some different tracks.
#6103
-what is his basic setup at the moment?
he haven't changed a lot since the last races/month. Just use his Snowbird Setup as base, it's very similar. Normally Toe-Blocks 2/1.5 or 1.5/1.5, rear 0/3 or 0.5/3.0 - with splitted blocks all the time. Lower & Higher Rollcenter are exactly the same as there, diff etc. too. Springs Yokomo Pink/Blue, but sometimes he is trying around with serpent springs - they're working good too. Some teamdrivers here are saying they're often easier to drive, but the yokomo springs are sometimes a tenth faster :P Camber 1,5° around. Droop mostly 6/5, 5.5/4.5 - depends on Track.
-does he use "new" hard plastics and hard 2.0mm chassis?
Yes, he is using the new hard 2.0mm chassis - for him the best choice for carpet, but he says to me it seems to be good for asphalt, too. It's very interesting, this thinner chassis is really harder different carbon fibre layout. Plastic Parts he is using all hard parts - wishbones, c-hubs, uprights.
-how much steering throw does he use?(angle of inside wheel)
he always using maximum steering throw, it's his driving style - often a bit harder than ronald as example. I think it's maybe of his 1:12 pan cars time, he can't have enough steering - he likes if the rear of the car is a bit crazy It's very interesting to see him driving, 1-2mm at the steering wheel and he is driving through a hairpin
-on the radio, what other settings does he use
nothing special, no TH-expo etc. Sometimes he is using a bit steering negative expo, that's it.
-what rebound in the shocks?
he is trying a bit around with this on every track, sometimes zero rebound, sometimes 1-2mm rebound. usually, never more than 2mm.
-shock o rings and diff outdrive o rings, what is he using?
- kit o-rings he said to me but wanna try some different/new soon.
-why doesnt he glue the tire side walls on very high traction? at least last time I saw him in last years ets race, he did not prefer, but it is really hard to drive without traction roll.
He don't like it because it isn't looking cool Simple as it is, he is everytime trying to compensate this through setup & driving skills. If he really have no other chance, then he glue the walls.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
He tried it already and if i remember right the higher position had less grip and the car feels a bit more unpredictable. He prefer's the default diff position currently, but maybe he have to try around with this on some different tracks.
he haven't changed a lot since the last races/month. Just use his Snowbird Setup as base, it's very similar. Normally Toe-Blocks 2/1.5 or 1.5/1.5, rear 0/3 or 0.5/3.0 - with splitted blocks all the time. Lower & Higher Rollcenter are exactly the same as there, diff etc. too. Springs Yokomo Pink/Blue, but sometimes he is trying around with serpent springs - they're working good too. Some teamdrivers here are saying they're often easier to drive, but the yokomo springs are sometimes a tenth faster :P Camber 1,5° around. Droop mostly 6/5, 5.5/4.5 - depends on Track.
-does he use "new" hard plastics and hard 2.0mm chassis?
Yes, he is using the new hard 2.0mm chassis - for him the best choice for carpet, but he says to me it seems to be good for asphalt, too. It's very interesting, this thinner chassis is really harder different carbon fibre layout. Plastic Parts he is using all hard parts - wishbones, c-hubs, uprights.
-how much steering throw does he use?(angle of inside wheel)
he always using maximum steering throw, it's his driving style - often a bit harder than ronald as example. I think it's maybe of his 1:12 pan cars time, he can't have enough steering - he likes if the rear of the car is a bit crazy It's very interesting to see him driving, 1-2mm at the steering wheel and he is driving through a hairpin
-on the radio, what other settings does he use
nothing special, no TH-expo etc. Sometimes he is using a bit steering negative expo, that's it.
-what rebound in the shocks?
he is trying a bit around with this on every track, sometimes zero rebound, sometimes 1-2mm rebound. usually, never more than 2mm.
-shock o rings and diff outdrive o rings, what is he using?
- kit o-rings he said to me but wanna try some different/new soon.
-why doesnt he glue the tire side walls on very high traction? at least last time I saw him in last years ets race, he did not prefer, but it is really hard to drive without traction roll.
He don't like it because it isn't looking cool Simple as it is, he is everytime trying to compensate this through setup & driving skills. If he really have no other chance, then he glue the walls.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
He tried it already and if i remember right the higher position had less grip and the car feels a bit more unpredictable. He prefer's the default diff position currently, but maybe he have to try around with this on some different tracks.
#6104
#6105
I am still running one of my older Eryx chassies. I have not "been able" yet to get the new chassie not to bind in the plastic, but also in the front axle in the hub. I think that is maybe sorted out now. I put in a Kyosho outer hub bearing. This bearing has a smaller wall between the balls and the wall. I will know when I try. I can get it to move freely but coming in after one run the axle is not running freely and I need to take it appart again. My thought is that the plastic "wall" between the inner and outer bearíng is thicker and makes the pin "ride" on the bearingwalls. There is no slack that you could have in older kits and you needed to shim to get rid of the play.
I have the idea that the plastic that comes with the kit should be able to use, not need to put in parts from the spare bags...
I have the idea that the plastic that comes with the kit should be able to use, not need to put in parts from the spare bags...
-why doesnt he glue the tire side walls on very high traction? at least last time I saw him in last years ets race, he did not prefer, but it is really hard to drive without traction roll.
He don't like it because it isn't looking cool Simple as it is, he is everytime trying to compensate this through setup & driving skills. If he really have no other chance, then he glue the walls.
I just ran a race with the same results with tires, many had roll issues, but our cars didn;t seem to have this problem, even without glued sidewalls.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
He tried it already and if i remember right the higher position had less grip and the car feels a bit more unpredictable. He prefer's the default diff position currently, but maybe he have to try around with this on some different tracks.
He don't like it because it isn't looking cool Simple as it is, he is everytime trying to compensate this through setup & driving skills. If he really have no other chance, then he glue the walls.
I just ran a race with the same results with tires, many had roll issues, but our cars didn;t seem to have this problem, even without glued sidewalls.
-did you guys test high diff position? how was it on high grip carpet?
He tried it already and if i remember right the higher position had less grip and the car feels a bit more unpredictable. He prefer's the default diff position currently, but maybe he have to try around with this on some different tracks.
On a side note, our cars first versions with a few less adjustments seem to end up being the best setup options. New cars are coming out that seem to drop some of the adjustments and are closer to our cars format.
Had a really good weekend at the WCIC with a really sweet carpet setup.