Proposed R.O.A.R. rules change
01-13-2011, 01:12 PM
#361
NO one is going to allow 208. That is a dead horse and the rest of us have moved on. It actually proved it is not going to be a problem because it would not slip by. We are in this together and want the same thing, more people and more fun.
We have a very specific technical specification for the spec mode with 0 timing that everyone agrees with and will have to abide by. There is no hiding, we all have scopes and understand how they work. There will be no improvements in spec software in terms of performance. There is nothing to improve.
The only differences will be component quality, circuit designs and features. That is as close as we will ever be and we can expect.
It all comes down to fear of cheating. There is no other factual, technical, measureable reason to exclude products that are in fact equal in performance.
How cool is it for a new comer to learn in a slow class and then be able to move up to a mild mod speed with a few button pushes and a pinion change on the same motor.
Slow is not the Holy Grail for all of RC. Ever seen a product that attracted a new comer to RC racing that said
“Slowest and can not be made to go faster”?
Tekin Prez
Last edited by Tekin Prez; 01-13-2011 at 01:25 PM.
01-13-2011, 01:16 PM
#363
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Last time I checked the RR was not a Roar event.
01-13-2011, 01:19 PM
#364
And the Reedy race is the one Exception to the rule that I actually attended and flew coast to coast to run 1 class. But not only do you get 8 practice runs and triple A mains I got to see every one of the best TC drivers in the world at the time race heads up for 8 rounds. No other races can offer that for a single class of racing.
01-13-2011, 01:19 PM
#365
That is absolutely false. I am surprised to see you continue to make arguements base on personal opinion rather than fact.
NO one is going to allow 208. That is a dead horse and the rest of us have moved on. It actually proved it is not going to be a problem because it would not slip by. It is silly to perpetuate this distrust in the manufacturers. We are in this together and want the same thing, more people and more fun.
We have a very specific technical specification for the spec mode with 0 timing that everyone agrees with and will have to abide by. There is no hiding, we all have scopes and understand how they work. There will be no improvements in spec software in terms of performance.
The only differences will be component quality, circuit designs and features. That is as close as we will ever be and we can expect.
It all comes down to fear of cheating. There is no other factual, technical, measureable reason to exclude products that are in fact equal in performance.
How cool is it for a new comer to learn in a slow class and then be able to move up to a mild mod speed with a few button pushes and a pinion change on the same motor.
Slow is not the Holy Grail for all of RC. Ever seen a product that attracted a new comer to RC racing that said
“Slowest and can not be made to go faster”?
Tekin Prez
NO one is going to allow 208. That is a dead horse and the rest of us have moved on. It actually proved it is not going to be a problem because it would not slip by. It is silly to perpetuate this distrust in the manufacturers. We are in this together and want the same thing, more people and more fun.
We have a very specific technical specification for the spec mode with 0 timing that everyone agrees with and will have to abide by. There is no hiding, we all have scopes and understand how they work. There will be no improvements in spec software in terms of performance.
The only differences will be component quality, circuit designs and features. That is as close as we will ever be and we can expect.
It all comes down to fear of cheating. There is no other factual, technical, measureable reason to exclude products that are in fact equal in performance.
How cool is it for a new comer to learn in a slow class and then be able to move up to a mild mod speed with a few button pushes and a pinion change on the same motor.
Slow is not the Holy Grail for all of RC. Ever seen a product that attracted a new comer to RC racing that said
“Slowest and can not be made to go faster”?
Tekin Prez
01-13-2011, 01:26 PM
#366
01-13-2011, 01:30 PM
#367
01-13-2011, 01:37 PM
#368
I (for one) would still like to see Tekin come out with a true spec ESC in the sometime in the near future. I mean Spec racing is pretty big and like it or not it's here to stay. Sadly there's only one other brand that's easy to get and offer support on this side of the pond. I believe a true spec Tekin with a budget friendly price tag would be welcomed by many.
Mainly for the fact that Tekin's support is top notch and I would like to show some brand loyalty. Since spec is here to stay then trying to sell a $170 speedo against a $60 speedo is a tough sell for a newbie or budget conscious racer. I still have to send my Tekin in to get fixed, but the reason there isn't a rush do so (other than my warranty period is about run out
) is that I bought a $60 ESC to tide me over and it works just fine.
01-13-2011, 01:41 PM
#369
Originally Posted by L.Fairtrace
Here are the classes I would suggest
21.5 no boost
13.5 no boost
Mod
Any speedo is legal just must be apparent that its in blinky mode.
/thread
+2
And anyone caught cheating with the blinky mode will be forced to race shortcourse for a year
Here are the classes I would suggest
21.5 no boost
13.5 no boost
Mod
Any speedo is legal just must be apparent that its in blinky mode.
/thread
+2
And anyone caught cheating with the blinky mode will be forced to race shortcourse for a year
01-13-2011, 01:46 PM
#370
Tech Initiate
Do a quick business plan to start a business that is equal to ROAR. Then take all the opinions that are on this thread and try to come up with something that would please the majority. Then start this conversation up with the offroad guys and do the same. Chances are you would lose your money and your mind. ROAR works because its been established for a while, so lets see if they do the right thing. Myself I like being able to run two classes, be it stock & superstock or superstock & mod. Its just good for business.
01-13-2011, 01:52 PM
#371
they tested several esc over here ....like speedpasion cirtix, gm, tekin, hobbywing etc etc running together in "0" mode on a 1/8 circuit and there was absolutly no difference in speed. They were tested by drivers with experience.They were all equal.
Don't believe the hype that there is a difference in blinky mode so all the esc can be binned and you will have to buy a new esc.
Don't believe the hype that there is a difference in blinky mode so all the esc can be binned and you will have to buy a new esc.
01-13-2011, 01:55 PM
#372
That is absolutely false! I am surprised to see you continue to make arguements based on personal opinion rather than fact considering your position. It is silly to perpetuate this distrust in the manufacturers.
NO one is going to allow 208. That is a dead horse and the rest of us have moved on. It actually proved it is not going to be a problem because it would not slip by. We are in this together and want the same thing, more people and more fun.
We have a very specific technical specification for the spec mode with 0 timing that everyone agrees with and will have to abide by. There is no hiding, we all have scopes and understand how they work. There will be no improvements in spec software in terms of performance. There is nothing to improve.
The only differences will be component quality, circuit designs and features. That is as close as we will ever be and we can expect.
It all comes down to fear of cheating. There is no other factual, technical, measureable reason to exclude products that are in fact equal in performance.
How cool is it for a new comer to learn in a slow class and then be able to move up to a mild mod speed with a few button pushes and a pinion change on the same motor.
Slow is not the Holy Grail for all of RC. Ever seen a product that attracted a new comer to RC racing that said
“Slowest and can not be made to go faster”?
Tekin Prez
NO one is going to allow 208. That is a dead horse and the rest of us have moved on. It actually proved it is not going to be a problem because it would not slip by. We are in this together and want the same thing, more people and more fun.
We have a very specific technical specification for the spec mode with 0 timing that everyone agrees with and will have to abide by. There is no hiding, we all have scopes and understand how they work. There will be no improvements in spec software in terms of performance. There is nothing to improve.
The only differences will be component quality, circuit designs and features. That is as close as we will ever be and we can expect.
It all comes down to fear of cheating. There is no other factual, technical, measureable reason to exclude products that are in fact equal in performance.
How cool is it for a new comer to learn in a slow class and then be able to move up to a mild mod speed with a few button pushes and a pinion change on the same motor.
Slow is not the Holy Grail for all of RC. Ever seen a product that attracted a new comer to RC racing that said
“Slowest and can not be made to go faster”?
Tekin Prez
What does ROAR do for on-road now? I mean it. Why do we still care?
The point of that post is that there would have been no pressure to change the software. The other manufacturers are not going to call anyone out in public as they would be seen as sore losers. All they could do is re write their software to the same level.
01-13-2011, 01:57 PM
#373
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That is absolutely false! I am surprised to see you continue to make arguements based on personal opinion rather than fact considering your position. It is silly to perpetuate this distrust in the manufacturers.
NO one is going to allow 208. That is a dead horse and the rest of us have moved on. It actually proved it is not going to be a problem because it would not slip by. We are in this together and want the same thing, more people and more fun.
We have a very specific technical specification for the spec mode with 0 timing that everyone agrees with and will have to abide by. There is no hiding, we all have scopes and understand how they work. There will be no improvements in spec software in terms of performance. There is nothing to improve.
The only differences will be component quality, circuit designs and features. That is as close as we will ever be and we can expect.
It all comes down to fear of cheating. There is no other factual, technical, measureable reason to exclude products that are in fact equal in performance.
How cool is it for a new comer to learn in a slow class and then be able to move up to a mild mod speed with a few button pushes and a pinion change on the same motor.
Slow is not the Holy Grail for all of RC. Ever seen a product that attracted a new comer to RC racing that said
“Slowest and can not be made to go faster”?
Tekin Prez
NO one is going to allow 208. That is a dead horse and the rest of us have moved on. It actually proved it is not going to be a problem because it would not slip by. We are in this together and want the same thing, more people and more fun.
We have a very specific technical specification for the spec mode with 0 timing that everyone agrees with and will have to abide by. There is no hiding, we all have scopes and understand how they work. There will be no improvements in spec software in terms of performance. There is nothing to improve.
The only differences will be component quality, circuit designs and features. That is as close as we will ever be and we can expect.
It all comes down to fear of cheating. There is no other factual, technical, measureable reason to exclude products that are in fact equal in performance.
How cool is it for a new comer to learn in a slow class and then be able to move up to a mild mod speed with a few button pushes and a pinion change on the same motor.
Slow is not the Holy Grail for all of RC. Ever seen a product that attracted a new comer to RC racing that said
“Slowest and can not be made to go faster”?
Tekin Prez
I understand exactly what you mean about an ESC that can grow with a racer but with past problems ROAR is looking to prevent this from being something ROAR wants to never have happen again. This is how you move forward from a mistake....you look to eliminate the possibility of the mistake from ever taking place again.
01-13-2011, 02:05 PM
#374
The issue here is banning products simply because someone might cheat. Which is really sad. False statements such as this from people that are part of the decision process is not helping us come to the right answer.
Secondary is do we need a middle class. We feel strongly that we do and boosted setups are a pretty good answer for that next step.
Last edited by Tekin Prez; 01-20-2011 at 02:12 PM.
01-13-2011, 02:07 PM
#375
I hate ROAR