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Old 01-13-2011, 11:52 AM   #331
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Why don't we replace ROAR for onroad like oval racers did with TOUR?

I KNOW ROAR isn't listening. I will not out people pubicly. If you don't believe me - call me

Maybe we should all stop listening to them!
Yes Oval did do that with TOUR and it was just as bad last year with all the classes and un-organization that it did not gain them anything other than they created a class that everyone could win in oval. Things have since been settled down a bit but its not any better than what it was with ROAR imo.

The problem that someone would run into is ROAR is the tie in with IFMAR for the Worlds. So it would be hard for someone else to pull the last few mod guys we have racing away or all the manufactures.

Ive read every post on here from the get go so I am listening and I have told the rest of the EXCOM they need to get on here and read this to see what Racers are saying, wanting and expecting.

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Old 01-13-2011, 11:53 AM   #332
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I propose we don't let ROAR make any more decisions for us. The oval guys have realized their needs are beyond what ROAR is capable of addressing, and have moved on. We should do the same.

Let people run their existing ESC's in blinky mode. The biggest races in the country seem to be able to handle it.

We NEED to have options when it comes to what ESC's we run. Even in blinky mode, they can feel entirely different on the track. Make the manufacturers differentiate themselves by making the ESC's run smooth, and making them small, or adding datalogging, or something other than making the best light switch.
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:54 AM   #333
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I will not out people pubicly.
I should hope not
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:55 AM   #334
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Did we all just decide we're done with ROAR simultaneously? It's an omen.
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Norrca, RC Pro on road division....do these names ring a bell?

If you can do it better, do it and reap the rewards.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:04 PM   #336
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ya know,, no body makes your join roar or attend there events. oh your local track may have a must be a roar member rule but you still don't have to join, I just checked and sportco has kill deals on metal detectors right now.

novice, wouldn't it be nice for the local tracks newbies to be able to race a National at thier home track, and who knows, maybe just maybe some other novices may actally travel to the nationals, once they have been a national they may go home, invest more time and money getting money better so they can move to stock next year, guess what, attenance is up.

there are a lot of good suggestions for classes, but lets not forget the novice class.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:08 PM   #337
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Eric-=

ROAR is the tie to IFMAR== yes.

But you say that like IFMAR would reject any other organizational body.

If the racers speak up, and someone does it-- and they have the majority, i dont see this as being an issue.

BUT= this is just touring cars. There is likely little chance of getting offroad guys, oval guys, what ever guys to agree and organize.

We could form a union.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:10 PM   #338
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Perhaps these entities should MERGE??
Or at the least compare notes and discuss what worked, what didn't and in what direction the hobby should be moving.

Seems a lot of peole want to make decisions in a vacuum without any testing or results to help support or refute those decisions.

What works great at one track probably won't be great at another.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:15 PM   #339
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[=Keith Billanti;8482064]Now= the biggest races in the world are put on privately. (Reedy, IIC, Cleveland (yikes), cactus classic, losi race, ect)
Just looking at the numbers from DHI and other ETS series races in Europe and so on just for onroad... now add in some of the nitro races over seas...wow. I dont think any of the biggest races in the world are still in America....you might want to change that statement to Largest races in America....just saying.

Again....like its been stated....if you think you can do it better step up and do it. Its so easy we can all work it out right here on RCtech in about 6 months and 3 weeks of no-stop bitching and complaining because everyone isnt going to get their way....it should be simple. I cant wait to see how much better it all becomes with racers really running the show....FML...I might as well go back to drinking at least there I get a head ache after the fact not during.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:19 PM   #340
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What works great at one track probably won't be great at another.
This is one of the core issues....not all the tracks are the same. There needs to be rules for tracks depending on their size and surface. Wholesale changes across the board are not good when it will alienate some tracks.
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Yes- I meant in the US.

And me do it? Ha. I havnt had time to race regularly in the last 5 years- let alone organize the USA into one single working racing entity.

And it is true= what works at one track, may not at another. Case in point, my local offroad track-- its like, they deliberately change things (from the racing norm) for "something to do"..

I vote Scotty Ernst.-- that guy always has his shit together. Always has a plan. Aside from his-- I have never been to a race that ran within seconds of its original plan== FOR A WEEK STRAIT.

It can be done.
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Ha- can we appoint someone who isnt even in the conversation or interested in the position??
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Scotty Ernst....It can be done.
Im sure he will not do it for free....whos going to pay him to do all this work. I dont really know if there is enough money here in the US to make it worth his time and effort.

From what I know the only one at ROAR that gets a paycheck is Fred Howart....but I could be wrong. Everyone else does it because they want to make the sport better....or they just like pissing people off...it could be both.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:36 PM   #344
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Well that is always a possibility when we give organizations the ability to speak for us.
They can stop listening to us and start to think that they think better than those they are supposed to represent.

However the "throw the baby out with the bath water" theory is seriously flawed.

Continue to voice your opinion----as loudly as you dare(Tienanmen Square)

And in this country and this organization vote.

I do not believe ROAR has turned a deaf ear!
I believe---- that is me -- not speaking for anyone else,

a very squeaky wheel made a lot of noise and now an overabundance of repair oil is being thrown at the squeak.

Mr. Kane also made a good point that what was being tried was not working.


New ideas are required and must be implemented to see results.

I myself forget that part on occasion when I am loudly voicing my opinion.


So I apologize for taking the thread away from the productive direction it was heading with my rant.


I think it was no more than 2 yrs ago when we were commenting that at last ROAR was finally listening and moving in the supposed right direction.
With the US economy the way it has been there is not a damn thing that could have been implemented that would have made a hill of beans difference.

So either stay the course, provide vocal input, or at the next opportunity vote. Then wait another couple years to --- oh wait that is that other organization I am thinking about!

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I'm going to be quite honest, Scotty does a great job running his races. At the same time, because he has so much goodwill in his favor, people are willing to accept some of the decisions he makes that would get ROAR in hot water. ROAR already has the built in "I hate ROAR" base, so they never get a break.

The other thing is Scotty covered his carpet track with dirt, which was the right decision. Yet ROAR is supposed to solve all our on road problems and make everyone happy?
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