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Old 08-05-2004, 05:56 AM   #16
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It is tempting
But i just spend all that money on the GT7... :S
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Old 08-05-2004, 06:00 AM   #17
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if you already have a speedy to handle a 10t v2 go for it, my 10x2 v2 with enduro brushes is much faster than the novak 5800.if you need a new speedy the novak system is very good on tight tracks.
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Old 08-05-2004, 06:03 AM   #18
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I am sure the GT7 will handle the motor...
Just thought that if I could get away with not worrying about brushes and lathes it would be a good thing But really I want the performance to be its best
Run time is a bonus but hey races are only 5 minutes long after all...
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:17 PM   #19
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How does an alloy endbell increase efficiency?
it is a basic fact in electrical terms that a cooler circuit is lower in resistance than a hooter one.
the endbell dissipates heat quicker then plastic.
this means that the motor pulls less amps.
this means that you dont need as much power to acceleerate which means less heat.
this also means that the brushes last longer.
also the design of the brushes and springs also make the otor more effeciant b/c the spring is covering more surface area then on conventional endbells which means that you can use weaker springs which increase rpm and that means theres less current draw also making less heat.
is this a worthy answere?
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:22 PM   #20
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Thanks for that
trf racer how do you find the 10x1 is on brushes and comm wear?
in the uk we eigther run 12 turn limit or no limit on club days.
on 12 turn you can go for up to 4 race meetings without skimming or changing brushes.
ive never used the 10 single but i do have a 7 double v2.
this can easily last 1 whole day of racing and still be competitive so iam sure you wont have no trouble with the 10 turn.
but i would change them after 1 days racing if not then keep a close eye on them if you use them more then one race meeting.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:26 PM   #21
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I am sure the GT7 will handle the motor...
Just thought that if I could get away with not worrying about brushes and lathes it would be a good thing But really I want the performance to be its best
Run time is a bonus but hey races are only 5 minutes long after all...
if you want/need the speed id recommend you get the v2.
if you race on a long track though dont get the surikarn/hara version as they have twisted comms and could overheat.
they are designed for short twisty tracks as they have more overlap which produces more power,but they get hotter.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:30 PM   #22
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I run conservative gearing with my Novak BL, it lasts at least 20mins on GP3300. I doubt the 10x V2 will last half of that.
I have yet to race sedan more then 5 minutes. I don't bash, so to me that 20 minutes of run time is useless. I have a V2 9single. The thing screews hardcore. I smoked a couple brushless systems the other day. Not even close.....

Yeah after the race I had about 36 seconds left in my pack when I discharged it. They were still up on the stand wheeling around for a bit....


But....The most important thing is that the clock stops at 5 minutes.
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Old 08-05-2004, 02:15 PM   #23
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I race both the 5800 Novak and V2 motors regularly in a X-Ray T1 FK. High traction short to med tracks the BL is awesome. On a big track it is barely faster than a REAL good 19T but has more rip. The BL has huge torque and good pull up on top but is weak in the midrange. It just wont hang with even a decent 10T ("real race motor") of any make. If you will notice most brushless only classes race 6 minutes and you will usually have lots of battery left. Possibly my favorite motors of all time,(and I have been doing this for quite awhile) are a couple of simple off the shelf Touring Peak Vantage 10x1 and 8x1 motors. With enduro brushes they will easily go into the 10-12 run range (more with the 10T). It is not uncommon to hear stories of 20 and 30+ runs on these motors without maintenance. Sprint brushes will get 5-6 runs pretty easy if you are carefull on gearing. The Novak BL? I took it apart one time after about 50+ runs cause I felt bad! lol. It was wasted time! Very,very little work needed here. I now have over 100 runs on my BL with only two tear downs for cleaning.THATS IT! 0 problems. There are always going to be exceptions, but it's awesome to have the choice we now have. They make it hard for me to decide sometimes.
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:20 PM   #24
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I run conservative gearing with my Novak BL, it lasts at least 20mins on GP3300. I doubt the 10x V2 will last half of that.
Screw conservative gearing... we want speed!!

Novak SS5800 has heaps of torque, so to get speed you've gotta
gear them high. Increase the gearing until you've achieved the
best lap times - that's all there is to it.

(when overgeared, your lap times get worse & SS5800 ESC gets overly hot)

For my local track, a sweetly-geared SS5800 runs about 6.5-7 mins on 3300. It keeps up with 10 turn motors there.




As comparison, finally got around to trying a V2 last weekend.
Very nice motor... mine was a 9x2.

Geared sweet, it did about 5.5 mins on the 3300s - slightly
faster than the Novak SS5800 but less torque.

Usually with non-V2 hot mods, performance starts dropping
after 2-3 runs and we'd pull them apart for a check/rebuild.
We did 5 runs on that 9x2 and every run was just as strong.


Motor runs very hot though - had to stop for 10 mins between
packs to let it cool down (no fan), else you could smell the paint.
After 5 runs the serrations have worn off the brushes.

Novak BL doesn't need rest though. We've trashed it for 2 hrs
non-stop pack after pack and it's still held up perfectly.
Nil maintenance apart from occasional opening up to dust out
and oil the bearings. Its 1 from the 1st batch too, no problems.

Love that Novak...!
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:41 PM   #25
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novak brushless is slow, get a hacker 6turn goes like an 8turn
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Old 08-06-2004, 03:59 AM   #26
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well the guy was asking about run time.
Hell yeah the Novak BL is slow compare to any 10T, but they are good for practising consistant lines especially because of the run time pack after pack...its just keep going on and on...
I can't find any other good points for Novak BL other than that., at least for me
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Old 08-06-2004, 05:32 AM   #27
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In terms of rutime with the novak BL, I can get about 9 minutes with 2600 mAh batteries and my friend gets about 7 with 3300's with his 14T-D V2. Funny thing is, my Lehner is faster and more powerful, yet gets about 2 more minutes of run time that my novak on the same batteries. But the Schulze/Lehner systems is also far more expensive than the novak. $250 controller, $105 motor (when I bought it, now they are $140). But the Lehner will easiily give a 10 turn competition. I could probably get down to 8 turn speed by getting the Lehner Basic 5300 instead of my Basic 4200 that I currently own. The Hacker C40-8s would be about the same as the Basic 5300. I saw the hacker 6S in action once, unreal amounts of speed and torque. Don't know about runtime though, I don't think the guys car ran that long without breaking. Too much speed for an indoor carpet track when you don't have really good traction.
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