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Old 12-04-2005, 08:09 PM   #4546
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now how about some shock spring perches that allow lower ride heights?

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Rob and I were talking about this on Friday actually....... he said if you cut the shock eyelet down you can run the stock perches. I believe Toso actually has them on his car. I wasn't aware of this. Rob even said to cut the threads on the shock shaft.

Reason being that since the tower is lowered, you essentially should be running a shorter shock shaft/body. It limits travel and roll through the corner and hinders steering. He mentioned they kinda discovered this during Cleveland. Makes sense I guess. Never really thought about it until he brought it up.

I still think the preload on the springs has to be kept to a minimum. Hopefully the things Rob said will help with this.

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I use Associated Spring perches and I cut the shock shaft a bit. When you run the lower spring perches and aust preload correctly, the top of the piston is basically resting or almost resting on the bottom of the bladder. When the suspension is compressed it pushes up on the bladder. In some extreme cases the seal between the bladder and the shock body is broken. I've had this happen a few times and it feels like the shock was leaking and just lost a ton of oil.

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Old 12-04-2005, 08:52 PM   #4548
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if anyone that has a setup for rubber tire on really high traction that is money ,,,,,, please pm me


I cant do anything to keep it from traction rolling
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:55 PM   #4549
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Try Rob's setup on the website..... That was a race where most of the classes were running foam tires.... there is always gobs of traction at the novak race. If you still have issues with traction rolling try glueing the side walls of the tires (yes, I'm not crazy, glue the sidewalls).

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Old 12-04-2005, 09:22 PM   #4550
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i tried that setup and a totally different setup

nothing works

rob michaels setup is money when traction is low at my track, when it gets high i just roll and roll
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:29 PM   #4551
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Well I think some of the guys here have been running 22 or 24 lbs springs in the front, and 19 in the rear. They havent been having rolling over problems..... in fact they are some of the fastest cars ont he track. Post your full setup with details and I can see if I can help you.

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Old 12-04-2005, 09:32 PM   #4552
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my full setup is the rob michaels setup with 22lbs in the fron and a one way running premount cs-27s
and running a stock motor

50wt front and 30 rear with 14 or 17 in the rear i think 14
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:35 PM   #4553
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Well, I would probably go a touch stiffer in the rear to maybe 19.5s. This will keep the roll down and help free the car up. You could also try thicker shock oil, like a 60/40 setup. What traction compound are you using, and how long are you letting the tires soak?

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try not using 1 way??
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yep same results
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using praragon and or jack the gripper both have the same result and i only put it on and then let it sit for just a little bit.like less than 2 minutes

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Nope, not usually. When you go stiffer it transfers less weight around the chassis, giving less body roll, and less traction in most cases.

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Old 12-04-2005, 11:21 PM   #4558
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Sort of. Stiffer springs allow the suspension to absorb less of the forces due to cornering, and thus more force is applied to the outside tire. Weight transfer is a convenient term to describe force due to acceleration.

When force is applied to the outside tire during cornering, more traction is lost on the inside tire than is gained on the outside tire, and the end result is a decrease in traction.
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:12 AM   #4559
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yea what he said....... you make things too complicated lol
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The new packaging is like 100x hotter than it was before. That catalog was beautiful too.
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