R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-21-2005, 11:37 AM   #3841
Tech Elite
 
Brian McGreevy's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,081
Trader Rating: 10 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to Brian McGreevy Send a message via Yahoo to Brian McGreevy
Default

Go look on the website, it's posted.
__________________
USVTA Member #211

Support Formula SAE - get kids into engineering!
http://motorsports.illinois.edu/
Brian McGreevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 11:41 AM   #3842
Tech Elite
 
squarehead's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
Posts: 4,211
Trader Rating: 75 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to squarehead Send a message via MSN to squarehead Send a message via Yahoo to squarehead Send a message via Skype™ to squarehead
Default

I think Mike was referring to the Stock Rubber winning setup. It's still not there.
__________________
Everything depends.
Nothing is always.
Everything is sometimes.
squarehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 01:58 PM   #3843
Tech Master
 
Jeff Brown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,913
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wallstreet
any hopes for the iic setup jeff?
I'm holding it for ransom.......
__________________
SXT Traction Compounds | www.TractionCompound.com
Jeff Brown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 02:21 PM   #3844
Tech Master
 
Jeff Brown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,913
Default

It's now available......

Jeff
__________________
SXT Traction Compounds | www.TractionCompound.com
Jeff Brown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 03:43 PM   #3845
Tech Regular
 
Andrew_Carter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hb Ninja Squad
Posts: 287
Send a message via MSN to Andrew_Carter
Default

What am i doing wrong!?

My carpet rubber setup is soooooo much harder than everyone elses! I race 19t indoors on sorex 24rs (control tyre) and im running 33lb springs up front and 24lb on the rear! 60/40 weight oil (with 1.3mm tamiya pistons and shock shafts) and 1.3mm roll bars all round! The car feels good but surley i dont need to be running these kind or spring rates with rubber tyres!!
__________________
ToniSport | Yokomo | GavGraphix | MHP
Andrew_Carter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 03:45 PM   #3846
Tech Elite
 
Brian McGreevy's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,081
Trader Rating: 10 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to Brian McGreevy Send a message via Yahoo to Brian McGreevy
Default

Try running softer springs (22/17) and see if your laptimes drop...
__________________
USVTA Member #211

Support Formula SAE - get kids into engineering!
http://motorsports.illinois.edu/
Brian McGreevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 03:52 PM   #3847
Tech Elite
 
squarehead's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
Posts: 4,211
Trader Rating: 75 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to squarehead Send a message via MSN to squarehead Send a message via Yahoo to squarehead Send a message via Skype™ to squarehead
Default

Andrew, as far as I'm concerned, the setups out there are starting points. I am running a setup as firm as yours (70/50 with 24/19 springs and 1.9 F swaybar), and wanting to go firmer on the springs. Stiff cars have less traction and that's usually faster if you can drive it. Most people are complaining of too much traction on carpet anyway.

My car is fast, comfortable, and easy to drive for me. My setups are determined by lap times, and then feel. I don't regard what everyone else does unless I am looking for a place to begin. I'll always work away from other people's baselines to suit my own wants.

Lap times are king. Nothing else matters.
__________________
Everything depends.
Nothing is always.
Everything is sometimes.
squarehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 03:53 PM   #3848
Tech Regular
 
Andrew_Carter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hb Ninja Squad
Posts: 287
Send a message via MSN to Andrew_Carter
Default

Yer im going to give it a try sunday i recon Brian,see how i get on.A freind of mine has also got his going very well,hes on 17lb and 14lb springs.And on a slighty lighter oil i fink.I dont like loads of steering tho.I tend to drive on full lock (if that make sense)

Just looking at Jasons IIC setup on the corally site,does anybody no what LB springs those HPI sprinsg are? HPI Reds and Pinks? Brian?

Cheers mate
__________________
ToniSport | Yokomo | GavGraphix | MHP
Andrew_Carter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 03:57 PM   #3849
Tech Regular
 
Andrew_Carter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hb Ninja Squad
Posts: 287
Send a message via MSN to Andrew_Carter
Default

Sorry apex,your post apperd after id posted!

My car does feel good for me,I dont like copying team drivers set ups to be really honest.I prefer to do it myself,part of the hobby.

It fink its just easy to drive,and i feel comftable enough to push it.But easy to drive isnt nessercally (or how ever you spell it) fast enough! Maybe somthing which is abit more on the edge when i push it may be faster

I was just wondering if i was the only one running such silly springs! I mean some of the foam guys dont use 34/24lb springs! We only use Rubber tyres over here in the uk!

Cheers
__________________
ToniSport | Yokomo | GavGraphix | MHP
Andrew_Carter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 04:01 PM   #3850
Tech Elite
 
Brian McGreevy's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,081
Trader Rating: 10 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to Brian McGreevy Send a message via Yahoo to Brian McGreevy
Default

Doug, you're also running on extremely high-grip carpet. IRP has by far the most grip at a club level that I've ever run on or heard of.

Andrew, the car may feel good, but your car may be beyond the point where stiffer springs = more corner speed. Sometimes a car can be too stiff and can just be slower. I personally an running 33/24 also on my car but that's for foam tires on carpet.
__________________
USVTA Member #211

Support Formula SAE - get kids into engineering!
http://motorsports.illinois.edu/
Brian McGreevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 04:10 PM   #3851
Tech Elite
 
squarehead's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
Posts: 4,211
Trader Rating: 75 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to squarehead Send a message via MSN to squarehead Send a message via Yahoo to squarehead Send a message via Skype™ to squarehead
Default

I ran this setup at Trackside, too, with JTG sauce the only, where the traction isn't as high as a Paragon track. Driver aside, the car was still very fast and easy to drive, almost lumbering.

Sometimes a car can be too stiff and can just be slower.

Unless your car is bouncing off the ground, that's really not true with a race car. I'd like to see an example of how and why you might say this.

From real race cars, springs absorb bumps in the track. The smoother the track, the stiffer springs you can run. The firmer the setup the less traction to the tires. I'll keep going firmer on this setup until the traction isn't drivable or the laptimes go down. If there are no bumps in the track to worry about, get the car as stiff as drivable. Too much traction when you don't need it just scrubs off speed and momentum.

Loose is fast. No matter what surface you are talking about; dirt, carpet, asphalt... its all the same.
__________________
Everything depends.
Nothing is always.
Everything is sometimes.
squarehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 04:11 PM   #3852
Tech Regular
 
Andrew_Carter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hb Ninja Squad
Posts: 287
Send a message via MSN to Andrew_Carter
Default

Yea i can see what your saying.My club has just purchased Brand new CRC Otzie carpet and it is very very gripy! only about 4/5 meetings old,but still i fink i have got my car to hard.

Do you ever tend to run rubber tyres on carpet Bri? if so what castor blocks? ,i ran 2 for a while and have just gone back to 4.I found the 2 degrees gave me abit more steering mid corner,which i am lacking a tad bit of! But the 4's allowed me to run not as hard springs up front as they give less steering.But i tend to lack abit of mid corner.I tried a masda 6 body tonight,just to try and get abit more mid corner,but it toatlly upset the rera of the car comapred to my sratus 3.

Cheers
__________________
ToniSport | Yokomo | GavGraphix | MHP
Andrew_Carter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 04:34 PM   #3853
Tech Elite
 
Brian McGreevy's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,081
Trader Rating: 10 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to Brian McGreevy Send a message via Yahoo to Brian McGreevy
Default

Doug, sometimes a car that's too stiff won't give the car enough grip to get around the track the fastest and/or put all the power down effectively. I know intuitively it doesn't make that much sense that a very stiff car would be slower, but just from my experience, sometimes this is the case. If a stiff car is always faster, why don't we run 42/39 springs on our cars for foam? Ponder that. I'm not trying to argue with you , I'm just explaining my reasoning.

I do run rubber/carpet once in a while and 4 degree caster blocks are usually the way to go. They should actually provide you with more mid-corner steering than the 2's. I liked running the 4 degree blocks with ~1.6 degrees of anti-dive (ultra low block in very front, regular low in rear of front). The car stayed flatter going into the turn and carried more speed.
__________________
USVTA Member #211

Support Formula SAE - get kids into engineering!
http://motorsports.illinois.edu/
Brian McGreevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 04:37 PM   #3854
Tech Regular
 
Andrew_Carter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hb Ninja Squad
Posts: 287
Send a message via MSN to Andrew_Carter
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian McGreevy
I liked running the 4 degree blocks with ~1.6 degrees of anti-dive (ultra low block in very front, regular low in rear of front). The car stayed flatter going into the turn and carried more speed.
Nmmm I keep that in mind Bri,Thanks alot for your help dude!

Cheers
__________________
ToniSport | Yokomo | GavGraphix | MHP
Andrew_Carter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2005, 05:14 PM   #3855
Tech Regular
 
T1Raycer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 304
Default

my setup for rubber is pretty stiff!!! i run a 30LBS in the Front and a 26 LBS in the back!!! its pretty stiff for rubber but i run the car whit softer spring and the car feel sluggish to my hand!! so i a setup that a guys from my club was running in stock rubber and it was 30/26 and the car feels fast it feels the car react quiker and i think i gain some corner speed! also i was running the stiff setup whit some pretty soft tires (RP24)!!!!

last week i race a guys who has the Rob Micheals Setup! he was runnig 22/19 for the spring!! and he was fast too!! so im litle bit confused on that!!! i think you have to find a setup for your self!!!
T1Raycer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Corally CCT Pan-touring car biker R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 4 03-02-2010 09:21 PM
Corally CCT Pan touring car biker R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 3 11-05-2003 07:24 AM
Corally F1 w/touring car setup froghead R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 6 10-29-2003 08:10 PM
New Corally Touring Car At Nurnberg JANTLE Electric On-Road 117 04-30-2003 05:23 AM
Brand New Corally C4.1 Touring Car HauntedMyst R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 5 10-25-2002 08:40 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 01:58 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net