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Old 11-09-2010, 03:14 PM   #31
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Our 540 rotors for the SS Pro and Ballistics are the same.
are the SS Pro as good as Ballistics
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are the SS Pro as good as Ballistics
Other than having a fixed sensor wire and being non-rebuildable, yes.
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Old 11-09-2010, 03:30 PM   #33
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It's an interesting discussion. I find that the latest gen brushless motors are more power than I can handle as it is, so a "tuned" motor would mean nothing to me. The "lowest" brushless class we have is 13.5 turbo, so there is plenty of go with jsut about anything.
I think in the days when 27 turn stock motors were the norm, there was a LOT of tuning able to be done. Motors were tuned for on-road/off-road/oval/12th etc, now we use the same motors for all classes as there is so much power available with brushless and lipo.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:20 PM   #34
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I've got one of those "tuned matched brushless" motors and I noticed that I can now pass the field on the OUTSIDE of turn four.

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Other than having a fixed sensor wire and being non-rebuildable, yes.
What do you mean by non-rebuildable?
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What do you mean by non-rebuildable?
The Ballistic motors have replacement parts (stators, end bells, sensor boards, etc). I don't think that the SS line has replacement stators available.
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What do you mean by non-rebuildable?
Our Ballistic motors were designed to be completely rebuildable with all parts available to our customers; our earlier motors (Velociti/SS Pros) had replaceable rotors, bearings, end bells.

We do not claim that our Ballistics have increased performance when compared to our earlier motors, but racers have reported that they believe the Bs do offer an advantage.
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I run BOSS motors and have run normal speed passion v3s and the BOSS outperforms a standard motor in every way. The BOSS motor run cooler, faster and the gearing window is quite a bit wider. I know an issue with the standards v3s is that if they are undergeared they get hot, I mean my only a couple teeth undergeared. With my BOSS motors this isn't as obvious. To boot Nathan, the guy that does the BOSS motors, is a great guy to deal with!
Did you find a difference in lap time?
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Yes I did, but it was more of a feel thing. The motor is smooth enough not to be harsh on a slick track and has plenty of torque to blow the tires off on a blue groove if you want it to. I forgot to mention I run dirt oval. I saw my laptimes pick up by almost .2 a lap consistently, which doesn't sound like much but in a normal race that is about 9 seconds and about 2 laps!
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but racers have reported that they believe the Bs do offer an advantage.
Indeed, I have met many racers that beleive their BS offers an advantage.

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Thank you for the input guys and gals. I really appreciate it. Think I will be purchasing my BOSS today...
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Yes I did, but it was more of a feel thing. The motor is smooth enough not to be harsh on a slick track and has plenty of torque to blow the tires off on a blue groove if you want it to. I forgot to mention I run dirt oval. I saw my laptimes pick up by almost .2 a lap consistently, which doesn't sound like much but in a normal race that is about 9 seconds and about 2 laps!
.2 is huge in road course, let alone oval. That's impressive.
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It just amuses me. Novak's engineers designed the sensored, brushless motor platform adopted for RC racing, but someone needs to "tune" Chinese imports as if that magically bestows some additional performance.

All of our BL motors are designed and manufactured here in Irvine, and "tuned" by us. We have designed all of our motor testing equipment and oversee every step of manufacturing. No other US MFG (or tuner) can make this claim.
I am amused in your choice of words. MurfDogg Motors are manufactured overseas, but never have I claimed additional power due to tuning, or ever said anything negative about the things that Novak does. Instead of promoting my product by discounting others, I choose to spend my time making myself available to my customers and future customers.

I "BLUEPRINT" my motors. Tear them all down, and inspect and re-assemble each motors to my own specs. Never do I claim more power from this process, however, one could argue that by ensuring proper shimming, and assembly of each motor, you in turn improve performance.

I applaud Novak's products, and that they designed the motors that RC brushless motor rules are based on. I also applaud that your products are made in america.

Just because the rules were based on Novaks original brushless motors, does not however make them superior.

I will continue to put everything I can into every MurfDogg Brushless motor. Your negative words, and anyone elses only motivate me and push me and my company to be the best we can be.

MurfDogg Motors - Manufactured in Asia, Blueprinted in the USA, and raced everywhere! And I am proud of that. So before you knock all the small companies, remember that Novak was once a small company itself.

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Now play nice you two...
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Would be better if you 2 worked together to produce the ultimate motor.
Novak's reliabilty and Murff's tuning. Just my opinion...
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