F1 Why 2wd?

Old 11-06-2010, 12:03 PM
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Default F1 Why 2wd?

There was a 4WD F1, 8 or so years ago but now everything I see has one of those pan car style chassis with the direct rear drive motor, rear pod suspension.
I am not an expert so correct me if I am wrong, but in general with scale cars 1/8, 1/10, 1/18 th scale 4wd 4 wheel independent suspension, while more expensive and requires more maintainence; it is in general faster on any kind of road course.
I know full scale F1 is 2wd, but they are also significantly faster than other road course cars.

Theoretically would a 4wd 4 wheel independent suspension wide foam tire F1 style car be as fast or possibly faster than the equivalenly powered Touring car?
Just curious.
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4wd 4 wheel independent suspension, while more expensive and requires more maintainence; it is in general faster on any kind of road course.
Wrong. The fastest cars around are pro 10 pan cars.
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The fastest class of RC cars are the 1/8 scale road cars with 4wd.

On carpet one of the fastest is the 1/12 pan cars.

2wd is more realistic for F1.
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The fastest class of RC cars are the 1/8 scale road cars with 4wd.
Again wrong. A full blown pro 10 car will smoke a 1/8th.
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Originally Posted by wingracer View Post
Again wrong. A full blown pro 10 car will smoke a 1/8th.
+1 The 1/10 pro 10 cars on our outdoor track put down faster lap times than the 1/10 nitro touring cars.
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Originally Posted by wingracer View Post
Again wrong. A full blown pro 10 car will smoke a 1/8th.
Being a 1/8th onroad gas racer and loyalist, Im disapointed to say that Wingracer is right. And these days with brushless, forget about it. Ive seen sedans with brushless go as fast, if not faster down the straight than an 1/8th gas
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I agree.
Same thing can be said for Vintage Trans Am.. I understand its due to cost but 4wd Camaro's and Mustang's?
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Originally Posted by jaggededge View Post
I agree.
Same thing can be said for Vintage Trans Am.. I understand its due to cost but 4wd Camaro's and Mustang's?

The 4wd cars are quite a bit easyer to drive and are more forgiving if you do not get the setup bang on. VTA is more of an introduction level class so this would make sence.
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The point of 1/10 F1 2wd was to create an affordable entry level competitive class. It was not a class designed to break track records. At least that's what I thought.
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The 4wd cars are quite a bit easyer to drive and are more forgiving if you do not get the setup bang on. VTA is more of an introduction level class so this would make sence.

25.5 motors and fdr limits take care of the entry level aspect.
as far as F1.. the whole point is going fast.

whats with all this entry level stuff? lol
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Originally Posted by jaggededge View Post
25.5 motors and fdr limits take care of the entry level aspect.
as far as F1.. the whole point is going fast.

whats with all this entry level stuff? lol
Back in the day we had entry-level classes. It was called "Novice." If I recall correctly, it worked well. The novice class basically mirrored the stock class, except the skill levels were different. Whatever the organization deemed appropriate, bumped you up to the stock class, whether that was a certain number of first place or podium finishes, a certain number of races etc. Now the trend seems to be to find as many different, yet similar classes a club can run to attract new faces. Every week I check here, it seems there is a new mutation of an already existing class.
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Which makes me think why 1/8 onroad can't move on to electric. How hard could it be to copy the old RC250 chassis which was 2wd...let them run one battery and a big 'ol brushless and use another chassis such as the RC500 with two LiPo's on it for the speed freaks. Sounds like fast cheap racing.

Pancars rule. One old 10L can race GTP, dirt oval, drag race, Indy oval, 2wd touring and who knows what else with one chassis and at a high rate of speed in all of them. Can a slash do that?
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Originally Posted by mxrich View Post
Which makes me think why 1/8 onroad can't move on to electric. How hard could it be to copy the old RC250 chassis which was 2wd...let them run one battery and a big 'ol brushless and use another chassis such as the RC500 with two LiPo's on it for the speed freaks. Sounds like fast cheap racing.

Pancars rule. One old 10L can race GTP, dirt oval, drag race, Indy oval, 2wd touring and who knows what else with one chassis and at a high rate of speed in all of them. Can a slash do that?
Your correct--Pan cars are the fastest RC cars STILL!!! AND--cheaper and easier to setup --less money for tires etc. WHY the rc manufacturer's continue to ignore these facts is beyond my understanding. If you want to see on-road RC grow--- re-invigorate the pan car class's!!!
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Originally Posted by mxrich View Post
Which makes me think why 1/8 onroad can't move on to electric. How hard could it be to copy the old RC250 chassis which was 2wd...let them run one battery and a big 'ol brushless and use another chassis such as the RC500 with two LiPo's on it for the speed freaks. Sounds like fast cheap racing.

Pancars rule. One old 10L can race GTP, dirt oval, drag race, Indy oval, 2wd touring and who knows what else with one chassis and at a high rate of speed in all of them. Can a slash do that?
Looks like you have been racing for quite a while, those 2 AE cars were the most popular when I started racing.
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To keep to the concept of real F1 racing, rear wheel drive is the same as the real F1's.
Touring cars now, depending on country, can be 4wd or 2wd, and making the scale cars 4wd makes them easier to drive, so that drags in racers, yet the cost is higher and maintaining them is higher, so therefore more dollars for the makers.

A 2wd can be faster down the straight, but loses out in the corners to a 4wd, but for driving, you have to be a far better driver to drive a 2wd fast
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