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Old 10-15-2010, 02:29 PM   #91
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Pete, can't argue those points at all. Brushless motors are far superior to the silvercan in both quality, performance and longevity. Comparing 21st century technology to early 20th century technology is idiotic. Not the point of my post at all ----- just badly worded and speaks more to my poor wordsmithing than the point I was trying to make.

The point being that none of the SC posts were saying that brushless motor advocates were, in effect, calling you idiots, for liking all that the new technology provides. I know and most of "us" know, the arguments you've forwarded are true and valid. What I was mainly trying to point out is that some of enjoy SC racing. I enjoy the "tinkering and fussing" with these relics from the past. That you don't is a personal choice. However, some, not you, seem to be irritated with the fact some of us do not care to run brushless motors. Actually insist that we run Brushless motors in what have traditionally been silvercan classes.

For example, I drive a Toyota Matrix and my wife has an Avalon. Both nice cars, reliable, maintenance free, and perform well. In my youth, it was my older sisters 36 Ford coupe and my buddies 32 Ford hiboy. Do I prefer the 36 or 32 to my present Matrix??? Definately yes. Practically, no. But my choice.
Point well taken, and I'll say two final things:
1) I don't think I've ever suggested (although many have) forcing traditional silver can classes (e.g. mini) to change. I just help create new classes so the choice exists.

2) I've spent most of my life driving around in Mustangs from the 60's that I've built myself, so I dig the "tinkering and fussing" ethos.

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I was mainly trying to point out is that some of enjoy SC racing. I enjoy the "tinkering and fussing" with these relics from the past. That you don't is a personal choice. However, some, not you, seem to be irritated with the fact some of us do not care to run brushless motors. Actually insist that we run Brushless motors in what have traditionally been silvercan classes.
I like BL motors but do enjoy SCs.

With BL you have to fuss more over the setup than you would with SC.
SC most of the fuss is on the motor than the setup.
Anybody can run a SC and does not have to have a great setup to be competitive. With BL you have to work harder on the setup.

GT3 is gone for 2011 rules which is a huge disappointment for me.
F1 and Mini are not as exciting to me, being that I always run sedan. Yet not in the economic mood to buy of pre-mount tires, a new esc and motor for 1-2 races, not very practical.

Good luck on the debate guys. Maybe one of my motors will make it to the track.
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I like BL motors but do enjoy SCs.

With BL you have to fuss more over the setup than you would with SC.
SC most of the fuss is on the motor than the setup.
Anybody can run a SC and does not have to have a great setup to be competitive. With BL you have to work harder on the setup.

Good luck on the debate guys. Maybe one of my motors will make it to the track.
You're painting with a fairly broad brush on this statement.
Stock Spec BL is about as easy as it gets.

Lot's of fun at Camarillo today in the SGT+ class.
FWD can hang with 4WD at this track
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You're painting with a fairly broad brush on this statement.
Stock Spec BL is about as easy as it gets.

Lot's of fun at Camarillo today in the SGT+ class.
FWD can hang with 4WD at this track
+1! At the end of the day, I geared up a bit and Carlos and I ran 50 laps -- him with his Cyclone TC and me with my FF03. Each was faster in certain sectors, but neither of us could ever get away from the other unless a mistake was made. It was as dead-nuts even racing as I have ever seen. Hope hope for good weather tomorrow!
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You're painting with a fairly broad brush on this statement.
Stock Spec BL is about as easy as it gets.

Lot's of fun at Camarillo today in the SGT+ class.
FWD can hang with 4WD at this track
Sure if you are talking 25.5.
I race 17.5 open esc which is not easy to setup.
Tamiya is mandating GT1 12T, GT2 16T & FFD 18T BL Spec, which will not be easy to setup.
The problem is that every track and now series will have different rules on what people want to run. In my area they cannot agree on GT rules from track to track. No wonder why people are dumping their sedans and going to slash.
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Tamiya is mandating GT1 12T, GT2 16T & FFD 18T BL Spec, which will not be easy to setup.
If everyone is running the same ESC and there are no timing adjustments to fiddle with, drivetrain setup = figure out gearing and race. How could it get any easier?
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If everyone is running the same ESC and there are no timing adjustments to fiddle with, drivetrain setup = figure out gearing and race. How could it get any easier?
Car setup......
I just luv the motor talk
has anyone thought about car setup??????
everyone talks about who is doing what to the motor
has anyone thought about the car??
yes I have had some fast sc motors and when i let friends use them there not that fast...... hummmmmm maybe the car??????na there cheating!
people will find a way to win that is the way.
in brushless racers will find that little bit to win
THATS RACING! I'm sorry but that the way and we all do it.
If F-1,nascar and BTCC where that way everyone can win,but they don't
some have never won,but keep doing it.
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Car setup......
I just luv the motor talk
has anyone thought about car setup??????
everyone talks about who is doing what to the motor
has anyone thought about the car??
yes I have had some fast sc motors and when i let friends use them there not that fast...... hummmmmm maybe the car??????na there cheating!
people will find a way to win that is the way.
in brushless racers will find that little bit to win
THATS RACING! I'm sorry but that the way and we all do it.
If F-1,nascar and BTCC where that way everyone can win,but they don't
some have never won,but keep doing it.
That's 'cause this is a motor thread.

Chassis setup is equal regardless of the motor.

There is no doubt that chassis setup is absolutely critical.
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Car setup......
I just luv the motor talk
has anyone thought about car setup??????
everyone talks about who is doing what to the motor
has anyone thought about the car??
yes I have had some fast sc motors and when i let friends use them there not that fast...... hummmmmm maybe the car??????na there cheating!
people will find a way to win that is the way.
in brushless racers will find that little bit to win
THATS RACING! I'm sorry but that the way and we all do it.
If F-1,nascar and BTCC where that way everyone can win,but they don't
some have never won,but keep doing it.


setup is overrated, the fastest motors always win the races and everyone knows it
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Well, believe it or not, i'm going BACK to silver can racing after 1 1/2 years of brushless.
The main thing for me is not about cost or advantage, but that it's too much power for me to handle, and I can accept that. Our next class after SC is 13.5 turbo, and that is a big jump.
I'm not looking forward to the inequality between motors in SC racing, but then, my lack of set-up knowledge out-weighs any difference between motors off the shelf, so it's no drama. Hey, I may get the lucky motor
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Well, believe it or not, i'm going BACK to silver can racing after 1 1/2 years of brushless.
The main thing for me is not about cost or advantage, but that it's too much power for me to handle, and I can accept that. Our next class after SC is 13.5 turbo, and that is a big jump.
I'm not looking forward to the inequality between motors in SC racing, but then, my lack of set-up knowledge out-weighs any difference between motors off the shelf, so it's no drama. Hey, I may get the lucky motor
I'm thinkin you should be able to control the power by no turbo and expo on the throttle as well as epa settings.

Can't even imagine going back to silver can in order to control power output.
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Well, believe it or not, i'm going BACK to silver can racing after 1 1/2 years of brushless.
The main thing for me is not about cost or advantage, but that it's too much power for me to handle, and I can accept that. Our next class after SC is 13.5 turbo, and that is a big jump.
I'm not looking forward to the inequality between motors in SC racing, but then, my lack of set-up knowledge out-weighs any difference between motors off the shelf, so it's no drama. Hey, I may get the lucky motor
That's insane. That's jumping from SC to mod! Someone needs to rethink that one IMO...

We do 17.5/zero timing to 17.5/open to mod. On our medium-size track it's a good progression. Now we also have 21.5/zero timing as well.
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