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Old 07-01-2004, 12:38 AM   #16
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It's not always about the motor. I was practicing with my 19 turn when one of my teammates came up from behind, so being the competitor that I am I hit the throttle pulled away in the straight and feeling pretty good until I got into the tight turns then sure enough he was right behind me again. After our batteries dropped off I went into the pits and told him I was holding him off for the most part of the run and he is a very good driver! So I felt pretty good, that is until he said he was using a Monster Stock Motor! Moral to this story is the motor won't make you any faster if you can't utilize the speed!
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Amen.

I've raced 11Ts on a tight track before and did fairly well IMO using a 23T. Those that beat me were at least better drivers than me. While those who lost were either unlucky or just less skillful.

The type of track also matters as a low turn motor probably wouldn't have much of an edge in a smaller technical track.

Of course this is 19T spec racing, so what matters is your hands, setup and how well you tune your motor.
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Old 07-01-2004, 07:48 AM   #17
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The Reedy Q mags 19T are really awesome but the slight undesirable drag when I'm off throttle coming in the turns makes my pro4's (one way front) rear a little nervous. What can I do to reduce this drag brake effect? I have two thoughts but not sure it will help, reduce spring rate of brush springs or serrate the brushes to lessen the drag. What are your suggestions. Thanks.
Set your trim so that the car wants to just barely creep forward when the radio is at neutral. I know it's not a solution really but drag brake is just an inherent feature of higher wind motors.
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Old 07-01-2004, 09:04 AM   #18
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Thanks for the tip rod b. I agree it does help.
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Set your trim so that the car wants to just barely creep forward when the radio is at neutral. I know it's not a solution really but drag brake is just an inherent feature of higher wind motors.
Yeah, I was going to suggest doing that also, but I wasn't sure that if there was a "more correct" way to fix it with that particular motor.

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also you can dial out some brake in your radio settings .. depending on the radio you have ..
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Old 07-02-2004, 07:06 AM   #21
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what do you guys think the best brushes are on 19t motors?
Ive been using putnams for a while on my reedy silver can and it sure is quick but my competition is using more or less the same everything but with 4503s and hes equally as quick. The guy who has taken our track record in 19t was using 4499 cross cuts.
what do you lot think?

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I have run that motor alot before. It reacts VERY well to 4499's. Thats what I always run in it.

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Old 07-06-2004, 10:37 AM   #23
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Ok, I got a question for all you Chameleon 2 Users! What are the best brushes for this thing? The Pro version comes with 4070's, but how does it react to 4499's? What about 767's? Just let me know your Brush/ Spring setups on these things!

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Can anyone give me any input on this one?

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I need a new armature for my chameleon 2 pro. Does anyone know what the difference is between the pro and the non pro version is? The comm has been cut on the pro, is this the only difference?


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Go with the non-pro. Atleast in the motors, Trinity has a habit of abusing them to get dyno numbers to sell
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Redline Motors 19 turn (Orion Element based) motor Review....

I received this motor about a week ago. It arrived quickly and well packaged. Upon inspection it looked very clean and well prepared. Brushes were properly seated and the arm was shimmed perfectly. The brush hoods were sized perfectly to the bushes allowing for smooth movement but very little side to side slop inside the brush hood. E.J. does a very good job perparing his motors. My only (very small) nit was that no DYNO numbers were included.

The initial test of the Redline 19t motor didn't go as well as expected (but read on to find out why). I had the local hot shoe run his current Orion Element (the RedLine 19t motor is based of the Orion Element) prior to trying the RedLine motor. He has been running this motor for several weeks and it is the fastest motor that we have seen on our track to date. However, it was not a fast motor from the start. He has been using it for a while and the comm. was getting dangerously small by the time it started to get as fast as it is. The comm. size on test day was just under .268 (one cut smaller but wasn't measured after the cut). The comm. on his Orion Element motor disintegrated later that day.

We started the test with the tried and true (but aging) Element motor. As before, the motor was fast and turned some of the fastest laps ever on the current layout. Then we switched out to the 19t RedLine motor and used the same gearing (128 spur, 33 pinion, 2.31" tires) in his Losi XXX-s. That is about a 7.1 FDR (Final Drive Ratio). Worth noting is that E.J. from RedLine suggested a FDR of 5.8-6.1 (or even 5.7)... HINT-HINT. After the test run of the new RedLine motor the tester had this to say: "It seemed a bit slow on the straightaway and just seemed a bit flat in the infield". His times were slightly slower with the Redline motor (maybe .25 seconds). That ended the first test. The motor came out of the 5 minute test run warm but not hot... maybe 130F (just a guess).

The following Wednesday I ran the car in my TC3 and geared it 39/93 with 54.5mm tires (getting pretty thin). On the TC3 that comes out to a FDR of 5.9. I ran the motor and felt as thought it had more punch and straightaway speed than my Reedy Quadmag 19t motors geared the same way. The motor came out of the 5 minute run reasonably hot (Or I'd say just about right) but I hit quite a few boards and wasn't very smooth (can you say too fast) so I probably heated it up more than I would on a clean run. No comm. color changes or brush burning. It was obvious that this motor wanted a whole lot more gear than a 7.1 FDR to show it's true colors.

In the Main I had a little solder issue and didn't finish the race (oops!) and only got about 3 minutes of the race in. After the race I let the previous tester, the track director and local hot shoe, test the motor in my car with gearing closer to what E.J. suggested and a battery that definitely wasn't at it's peak voltage anymore. His response was "Wow... that's fast". He seemed to think that, when geared the way it was supposed to be geared, the RedLine motor was faster than his (now deceased) Orion Element. I also noticed that the Redline was still maxing out about 1/2 way down the main straightaway. So I think there is room for an even higher, 5.8 or 5.7 FDR, gearing with this motor and tires as small as I am currently using. In the main, before my unfortunate desoldering incident, I ran a 12.22 best lap. That is about .3 seconds from that fastest lap on this track. I'm not quite as good a driver as the original tester so there was definitely room for improvement on my lap times. I watched the original tester running laps with my TC3 after the race and he was definitely dipping into the 11 second range. I would not be surprised if he set a new lap record but we did not have the computer running. He was runnign better lines and maintaining his speed better than I do.

In my opinion I'd have to say the RedLine 19t motor is the fastest 19t motor to hit our track so far. It is definately the fastest motor I have run in my touring car. I have run Trinity Chameleon 2 motors and Reedy Quad Magnet motors and the Redline motor beats them hands down. With room for a taller gear and the possibility for a speed increase as the comm. gets smaller, this is going to be a very competitive line of motors at our track. I would recommend the RedLine 19t motor to anyone wanting a competitive edge in the 19t class. It's a great motor and E.J. has been very responsive and helpful when I have had questions about his motors or just motors in general.

Stay tuned for my test results of the RedLine Motors 19 turn hand wound armature. I'll try to get a bit more hard data this time.
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Old 08-13-2004, 02:14 PM   #27
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has anyone tried the putnam series 19 turn motors? what are your thoughts on these
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Old 08-13-2004, 02:27 PM   #28
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Is the Redline ROAR legal? If not, what is illegal about it?

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I'm running an Axiom tuned Chameleon2 in my Xray Evo2. I'm running a 37/128 gearing. Does this sound about right? Also, is it just me or do 19t motors mount weird in the Xrays? Where my wires solder to the motor is nearly touching the battery stand-off.

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The redline is ROAR legal from what I know. It is a Orion Element motor that is tuned by E.J. Evans. If the Orion Element is legal than the Redline 19t is legal.
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