Xray T3 2011
#3783
I have a question for the guys who did the servo mod. How does it compare to adding expo on your steering channel?
I have about 15% expo on my steering channel to smooth the steering a little. I wanted to shim my link straight, but unfortunately it's hitting the topdeck, even with a 1mm shim.
I don't feel like drilling my chassis for the servomod but if it's really worth it...
I have about 15% expo on my steering channel to smooth the steering a little. I wanted to shim my link straight, but unfortunately it's hitting the topdeck, even with a 1mm shim.
I don't feel like drilling my chassis for the servomod but if it's really worth it...
#3784
Tech Master
iTrader: (1)
Yes, I went back to the original '11 orange center link. I'll have to measure the drag link (link from the servo saver to the steering pivot) and probably won't be able to do that until tomorrow. But, for now I'm estimating that there is about 10mm of turnbuckle exposed between the ball ends.
#3786
Tech Master
iTrader: (1)
I have a question for the guys who did the servo mod. How does it compare to adding expo on your steering channel?
I have about 15% expo on my steering channel to smooth the steering a little. I wanted to shim my link straight, but unfortunately it's hitting the topdeck, even with a 1mm shim.
I don't feel like drilling my chassis for the servomod but if it's really worth it...
I have about 15% expo on my steering channel to smooth the steering a little. I wanted to shim my link straight, but unfortunately it's hitting the topdeck, even with a 1mm shim.
I don't feel like drilling my chassis for the servomod but if it's really worth it...
#3787
Thanks for your input. Did it also decrease your laptimes? Or was is just a better feeling?
I think I drive the car pretty well now except my car had too much steering mid corner (rear comes out in mid corner) and my car is a bit nervous. It responds very quickly to input. I think it overresponds. I like a lot of steering on my cars, but the rear should be more planted.
I think I drive the car pretty well now except my car had too much steering mid corner (rear comes out in mid corner) and my car is a bit nervous. It responds very quickly to input. I think it overresponds. I like a lot of steering on my cars, but the rear should be more planted.
#3788
Tech Master
iTrader: (21)
Yes, I went back to the original '11 orange center link. I'll have to measure the drag link (link from the servo saver to the steering pivot) and probably won't be able to do that until tomorrow. But, for now I'm estimating that there is about 10mm of turnbuckle exposed between the ball ends.
#3789
#3790
Are you weighing the car with body on race ready?? Normally you want to put some weights down the middle under the belt. Also you can also put weight on the outsides of the chassis if you need to balance the car left to right.
#3791
Tech Elite
iTrader: (15)
Where I put the weight depends on where I need it for balance. Right now the weight I have added is on the electronics side. If your car is already balanced you can put it down the middle under the belt, as suggested above.
#3792
Here is a question for those of you with stock steering setups and modified (2012 style) setups.
How are your steering endpoints set? For example, I messed around with my servo position, subtrim, endpoints, etc... but I cannot get an even throw side to side. I have to have a huge endpoint spred. Somewhere along the lines of 20 points.
I am not the only one at our track to notice this. A very experienced racer test drove my car as he is looking to get an xray and he gave it back to me saying that the car doesn't steer the same right to left.
We put it up on the setup blocks as I though maybe something had shifted but both right and left said 32 degrees on my rack.
Even with the subtrim at zero, arm straight up and down, I still had about 15 points difference from right to left. This tells me, in my limited experience that it requires a longer travel one way to get the same end point.
This seems very odd to me as the rack is centered (verified) and we are going to the same degrees on the steering gauge both ways.
Where is this difference coming from? The 2012 suffers this as well. Do those of yu with stock setups have this trouble?
We looked at a fellow racers car and he has about 60 points of subtrim to get his arm straight up and down and the his endpoints are off about 30 points right to left as well. (80 one way and 110 the other)
How are your steering endpoints set? For example, I messed around with my servo position, subtrim, endpoints, etc... but I cannot get an even throw side to side. I have to have a huge endpoint spred. Somewhere along the lines of 20 points.
I am not the only one at our track to notice this. A very experienced racer test drove my car as he is looking to get an xray and he gave it back to me saying that the car doesn't steer the same right to left.
We put it up on the setup blocks as I though maybe something had shifted but both right and left said 32 degrees on my rack.
Even with the subtrim at zero, arm straight up and down, I still had about 15 points difference from right to left. This tells me, in my limited experience that it requires a longer travel one way to get the same end point.
This seems very odd to me as the rack is centered (verified) and we are going to the same degrees on the steering gauge both ways.
Where is this difference coming from? The 2012 suffers this as well. Do those of yu with stock setups have this trouble?
We looked at a fellow racers car and he has about 60 points of subtrim to get his arm straight up and down and the his endpoints are off about 30 points right to left as well. (80 one way and 110 the other)
#3793
Tech Regular
Here is a question for those of you with stock steering setups and modified (2012 style) setups.
How are your steering endpoints set? For example, I messed around with my servo position, subtrim, endpoints, etc... but I cannot get an even throw side to side. I have to have a huge endpoint spred. Somewhere along the lines of 20 points.
I am not the only one at our track to notice this. A very experienced racer test drove my car as he is looking to get an xray and he gave it back to me saying that the car doesn't steer the same right to left.
We put it up on the setup blocks as I though maybe something had shifted but both right and left said 32 degrees on my rack.
Even with the subtrim at zero, arm straight up and down, I still had about 15 points difference from right to left. This tells me, in my limited experience that it requires a longer travel one way to get the same end point.
This seems very odd to me as the rack is centered (verified) and we are going to the same degrees on the steering gauge both ways.
Where is this difference coming from? The 2012 suffers this as well. Do those of yu with stock setups have this trouble?
We looked at a fellow racers car and he has about 60 points of subtrim to get his arm straight up and down and the his endpoints are off about 30 points right to left as well. (80 one way and 110 the other)
How are your steering endpoints set? For example, I messed around with my servo position, subtrim, endpoints, etc... but I cannot get an even throw side to side. I have to have a huge endpoint spred. Somewhere along the lines of 20 points.
I am not the only one at our track to notice this. A very experienced racer test drove my car as he is looking to get an xray and he gave it back to me saying that the car doesn't steer the same right to left.
We put it up on the setup blocks as I though maybe something had shifted but both right and left said 32 degrees on my rack.
Even with the subtrim at zero, arm straight up and down, I still had about 15 points difference from right to left. This tells me, in my limited experience that it requires a longer travel one way to get the same end point.
This seems very odd to me as the rack is centered (verified) and we are going to the same degrees on the steering gauge both ways.
Where is this difference coming from? The 2012 suffers this as well. Do those of yu with stock setups have this trouble?
We looked at a fellow racers car and he has about 60 points of subtrim to get his arm straight up and down and the his endpoints are off about 30 points right to left as well. (80 one way and 110 the other)
Put the car on the track and push the car forwards (no pinion on motor) with full steering right and note turning circle, do the same left, both should be about the same.
If they are not start to look for a machanical reason.
rear toe equal l/r.
front steering equal l/r
chamber and castor equal l/r
friction in l/r drive train, CVJ's, bearings, rubbing wheel.
With servo set top dead centre the should be equal steering and speed of steering, trims and end points are used to fine tune not to overcome car set up irregularities.
Once the car is equal in the "push test" connect the motor and try again, at slow speed it should give the same result, at high speed any noticable differences will be down to tweak, tyres or unequal balance somewhere.
Both my T3's are spot on.
Bb
#3794
Here is a question for those of you with stock steering setups and modified (2012 style) setups.
How are your steering endpoints set? For example, I messed around with my servo position, subtrim, endpoints, etc... but I cannot get an even throw side to side. I have to have a huge endpoint spred. Somewhere along the lines of 20 points.
I am not the only one at our track to notice this. A very experienced racer test drove my car as he is looking to get an xray and he gave it back to me saying that the car doesn't steer the same right to left.
We put it up on the setup blocks as I though maybe something had shifted but both right and left said 32 degrees on my rack.
Even with the subtrim at zero, arm straight up and down, I still had about 15 points difference from right to left. This tells me, in my limited experience that it requires a longer travel one way to get the same end point.
This seems very odd to me as the rack is centered (verified) and we are going to the same degrees on the steering gauge both ways.
Where is this difference coming from? The 2012 suffers this as well. Do those of yu with stock setups have this trouble?
We looked at a fellow racers car and he has about 60 points of subtrim to get his arm straight up and down and the his endpoints are off about 30 points right to left as well. (80 one way and 110 the other)
How are your steering endpoints set? For example, I messed around with my servo position, subtrim, endpoints, etc... but I cannot get an even throw side to side. I have to have a huge endpoint spred. Somewhere along the lines of 20 points.
I am not the only one at our track to notice this. A very experienced racer test drove my car as he is looking to get an xray and he gave it back to me saying that the car doesn't steer the same right to left.
We put it up on the setup blocks as I though maybe something had shifted but both right and left said 32 degrees on my rack.
Even with the subtrim at zero, arm straight up and down, I still had about 15 points difference from right to left. This tells me, in my limited experience that it requires a longer travel one way to get the same end point.
This seems very odd to me as the rack is centered (verified) and we are going to the same degrees on the steering gauge both ways.
Where is this difference coming from? The 2012 suffers this as well. Do those of yu with stock setups have this trouble?
We looked at a fellow racers car and he has about 60 points of subtrim to get his arm straight up and down and the his endpoints are off about 30 points right to left as well. (80 one way and 110 the other)
I have changed my T3'11 to the '12 setup and the steering is only a few percentage points different in either direction.
Skiddins
#3795
Tech Champion
iTrader: (34)
1. Set the trim at zero
2. Position the servo saver on the servo as close to a 90 degree angle WITH THE STEERING LINK as you can get
3. Adjust the subtrim until the angle IS 90 deg from servo horn to steering link
4. Adjust the link length so that the steering is centered
5. Set EPAs
I know the '12 manual says to put the servo horn at 90 degrees to the servo but it's wrong, set it this way and you won't have a drastic difference between left and right