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Old 09-16-2010, 10:36 PM   #151
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Set aside this whole cheating in spec racing thing for a moment.

I've wondered lately whether a nice brushed mod motor wouldn't be the ticket on an indoor carpet track. In an otherwise completely up to date car with a 5000+ 40c+ lipo and, say, a 12x2. Wouldn't it feel pretty good? But, could it last a full six minutes without serious fade? And would it have to be rebuilt between every run? By "rebuilt," I mean a comm cut and new brushes. I've just wondered how that motor would feel on the track. In my imagination, it would be pretty sweet. But, I've never driven brushed mod. Very little brushless mod, for that matter. A decent amount of brushed stock, though. And, I have to say, I prefer the feel of a CO27 to a 17.5.
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Old 09-17-2010, 04:10 AM   #152
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Set aside this whole cheating in spec racing thing for a moment.

I've wondered lately whether a nice brushed mod motor wouldn't be the ticket on an indoor carpet track. In an otherwise completely up to date car with a 5000+ 40c+ lipo and, say, a 12x2. Wouldn't it feel pretty good? But, could it last a full six minutes without serious fade? And would it have to be rebuilt between every run? By "rebuilt," I mean a comm cut and new brushes. I've just wondered how that motor would feel on the track. In my imagination, it would be pretty sweet. But, I've never driven brushed mod. Very little brushless mod, for that matter. A decent amount of brushed stock, though. And, I have to say, I prefer the feel of a CO27 to a 17.5.
I've been running just that recently, as well as a 19t money motor and they feel really nice. Much more linear than any brushless, especially the newest ones with timing boost. You don't need to rebuild it all the time, once a meeting is more than sufficient if you ask me. It won't be as fast as brushless though. My 13.5 GM will eat any old 12 turn I have. Infact it'll eat up even my 8t oscar jensen orion v2.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:50 AM   #153
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When brush motor were the norm I had to buy a new one each month due to just having to rebuild it and cut it till the com was gone ...

Now days ?

A brushless last me a year or more ....

Cost to run a brushless one year ?

$90


To run a brush motor including brush's ?

1 new motor per month
$80 motor + 8 set of brush's = $120 X 12 months =$1440



No wonder no one run's brush anymore...


What ever problems brushless has brought to the sport ?
It was well worth it .....
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:13 PM   #154
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....What ever problems brushless has brought to the sport ?
It was well worth it .....
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:16 PM   #155
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When brush motor were the norm I had to buy a new one each month due to just having to rebuild it and cut it till the com was gone ...

Now days ?

A brushless last me a year or more ....

Cost to run a brushless one year ?

$90


To run a brush motor including brush's ?

1 new motor per month
$80 motor + 8 set of brush's = $120 X 12 months =$1440



No wonder no one run's brush anymore...


What ever problems brushless has brought to the sport ?
It was well worth it .....
Utter twoddle! A new motor every month? Never in a million years. Brushless is cheaper, but what you just said is rubbish.
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I always thought people rebuilt their stuff way to often.....Peter didn't know until after the race, but when he won his 1/12th scale national title in 2006....I didn't rebuild his motor between the 2nd and 3rd amain....I looked at the brushes and they looked fine.......so garrett and I stuck it on the GFX for 10 seconds and sprayed it out the comm with motor spray....he was still plenty fast.....and won

I did it again the vegas race to trav, his TQ run motor in the last round was the same motor he ran, just sprayed out in the main.......and he smoked the entire field....

I dunno if I just had really unloyal customers or what, but I never sold 1 motor a month to anybody.....was more like 2-4 a year or so....and I know for a fact certain guys raced all the time and only used my products. I don't even think my sponsored guys went through that many motors....

Nobody got $80 a motor either.....let alone $5 for a pair of brushes.....we sold stocks at $40 fully blueprinted, mods were under $50.... and Fbrush, 4499, or 767 for less than $3 a pair...

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Utter twoddle! A new motor every month? Never in a million years. Brushless is cheaper, but what you just said is rubbish.
I race three to four days a week and have a huge pile of use up Reedy Sonics for proof....
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Can I have them cherry? I rebuild them for crawler prizes!

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It depends on whether you're talking rebuildables or not.

Rebuildable, once I found a good one I would run it until the com hit plastic.

Non-rebuildable, once a month for a regular racer in a competitive series sounds about right. Some even more than that.

I started out running carpet oval. Motor was king. One guy would buy motors from his sponsor by the case. Go through them, pick out the 4 best, keep one or two others for practice motors and sell or give away the rest. He did this about every two months. Got a couple pretty decent motors from him too.
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Cost to run a brushless one year ?

$90
My 3 dead Epic 13.5T, 1 old reliable Novak 13.5T, and 1 slow LRP 13.5T in the span of a 2 months would like to have a word with you Also, their friends, GTB, LRP Spheres and relatives TC spec and SPX , as well as the on/off switch Tekin may want to add some comments.

Come to think of it...all that money spent bums me out.

But wait, there's more....batteries...ugh.
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My 3 dead Epic 13.5T, 1 old reliable Novak 13.5T, and 1 slow LRP 13.5T in the span of a 2 months would like to have a word with you Also, their friends, GTB, LRP Spheres and relatives TC spec and SPX , as well as the on/off switch Tekin may want to add some comments.

Come to think of it...all that money spent bums me out.

But wait, there's more....batteries...ugh.
Sounds like you're getting some bad advice on gearing.
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My 3 dead Epic 13.5T, 1 old reliable Novak 13.5T, and 1 slow LRP 13.5T in the span of a 2 months would like to have a word with you Also, their friends, GTB, LRP Spheres and relatives TC spec and SPX , as well as the on/off switch Tekin may want to add some comments.

Come to think of it...all that money spent bums me out.

But wait, there's more....batteries...ugh.
I think they should perhaps first talk to "Mr. Guide on Proper Gearing"
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I think they should perhaps first talk to "Mr. Guide on Proper Gearing"

I think he said, "If it wasn't hot, it wasn't fast."
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Yeah I to wish they would bring back brushed motors as the norm.

Just like I wish they would bring back:

8 Track tapes
Rotary phones
dot matrix printers
typewriters
my old 386 pc
How about 1500SCRC's or even better yet 1200SCE's I still have some new sitting in the shop.
Paying a premium for matched packs and having to buy 3-4 packs for one car to make through practice, 2 heats and a main.
$200 com truers, cutting brushes, magnet zappers, capacitors, etc. (ALL SUCK)

Having raced from 1988-1995 and again 2008-present, Lipos and brushless are incredible. Way better, way cheaper (over time), and nearly no maintenance.

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Hey, we’re getting off thread…

Bring back wiper arm – resistor speed controls! Done.
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