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Old 06-21-2004, 11:25 AM   #91
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If a spectator at a F1 race looses the ability to walk becuase a wheel came off in a crash, bounced over the barricades(which wasn't high enough) and hits them, they should not be allowed to sue? Of course they should.
If the FIA gives him the proper medical attention he should NOT be allowed to sue because ANYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT THEY COULD GET HURT AT A RACING EVENT
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If the FIA gives him the proper medical attention he should NOT be allowed to sue because ANYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT THEY COULD GET HURT AT A RACING EVENT
Kat is right. Check the back of your ticket. It's in the fine print on the back of every ticket of every racing event... at least every event I've ever been to. (been going to races since before I was born )
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wot do people think of lrp traction compound?no wintergreens,improves grip,consistancy of tyres.
do they give any more grip the paragon?
outdoors id rather have the smell and grip compared with no grip and no smell.
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Hell the warning straight off the box here of an SMC battery box is "WARNING: this product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects (or other reproductive harm).
Ahh, gotta love California with all their smart rules with all those celebs , i heard they banned rc cars on neighborhood streets there too. and btw, you gotta love their LAKERS
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The warning on batteries is because of trace amounts of lead. So if you eat your batteries you might die. Posting those kind of unrelated, obviously ridiculous examples of warnings clouds the issue. Here IS the issue. Even on the chem site, which supports the use of paragon, they have written that the chemical is harmful. Nowhere is any dose noted. It just says "small dose", or "large dose". Perhaps in typical uses for these chemicals, ie industrial processes, only trace amounts are used, and so that would be considered a lareg dose. We dont know. So post all the MSDS sheets you want, they dont prove anything. What will prove something is if someone can post a typical dose of wintergreen inhaled in a night of racing, and then compare that to what is considcered a "significant dose". Until that is done Ill go by, if its that volatile, its gotta be harmful.

I think the burden of proof should be on the company. Is the burden in the pharmaceutical industry not on the company? I think this is a very similar case.
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Ahh, gotta love California with all their smart rules with all those celebs , i heard they banned rc cars on neighborhood streets there too. and btw, you gotta love their LAKERS
OUCH...that was below the belt!!!

At least the weather averages 75 degrees YEAR ROUND....

But seriously, would it hurt to have better ventilation inside indoor tracks. I guess i'm used to the smell, it doesn't affect me much. And if it does, i usually go and have a cigarette....I wonlder what will kill me first? j/k
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Perhaps the guy was already ill with something else and the paragon help with the dizziness.
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There is currently no OSHA PEL (permissible exposure limit) or STEL (short term exposure limit) in the US for oil of wintergreen. However there are lethal oral doses known for man and child.
MAN LDLO 101 mg/kg-1
CHD LDLO 228 mg/kg-1
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There is currently no OSHA PEL (permissible exposure limit) or STEL (short term exposure limit) in the US for oil of wintergreen. However there are lethal oral doses known for man and child.
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That is not exactly correct. Wintergreen oil goes under many names. Such as...EXAGIEN, FLUCARMIT,GAULTHERIA OIL, ARTIFICIAL ,
GAULTHERIA OIL,O-HYDROXYBENZOIC ACID, METHYL ESTER , 2-
HYDROXYBENZOIC ACID METHYL ESTER, METHYLESTER KYSELINY SALICYLOVE, METHYL O-HYDROXYBENZOATE , and more. Tire traction compound manufacturers also may use a synthetic wintergreen oil. But since they choose to cop out and define their products as "Trade Secrets" , no MSDS is available. Check with other MSDS sheets which use any of these chemicals, specially when they are combined with solvents ! Like Insecticides and parts cleaners. Take real caution in using this sauce. Why take a risk when there is alternatives ? Up to all of the racers out there.
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Old 06-26-2005, 07:39 AM   #101
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ban all tire additives.
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paragon is and has been proven to be the safest out there... yes it stinks... but the stink is the wintergreen ... wintergreen addatives are the least harmfull thing in there...

all these other tire sauces out there are actually very bad,, there chemical makup is alot worse.... they are scentless killlers... just because somthing stinks. doesnt mean its bad..
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So test have shown that Paragon is the safest of all the compounds. But people still believe that their symptoms are a result of the wintergreen smell. This sounds like a large case of somatoformic disorders. The mentality makes the person sick.
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