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Old 06-20-2004, 08:51 PM   #31
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There's no excuse for a lack of common sense. Something that stinks and gives discomfort, should be avoided if it's a problem for you. The manufacturer does NOT have any responsibility in you subjecting yourself to harmful vapors.

I have in front of me a can of Paragon Ground Effects, and the can reads as follows:

DANGER:
Contains oil of wintergreen. Keep away from heat, sparks and open flame. Avoid prolonged breathing of vapors. Avoid contact with skin and eyes. In case of contact with eyes or skin, flush thoroughly with water. For eyes, get medical attention. Do not put in mouth. If swallowed, give water, induce vomiting and call physician or poison control center immediately. Keep out of reach of children.

Sounds clear enough to me......

If a parent leaves a child at a track unattended, and doesn't bother themselves to learn the dangers of the track, it is thier SOLE RESPONSIBILITY for any ill incidents. That is NEGLECTFUL behavior. That is nobody else's fault but theirs. PERIOD.


Uh you don't think a track is responsible if they lure children onto their property and then expose those same children to dangerous chemicals? gimmie a break!

It may be neglectful behaviour for a parent to leave a child at a track unattended, but then again it happens all the time. What highschool kid wants their parents around them 24/7? Also lots of kids go to tracks afterschool when their parents are working. So the track is at least 50% responsible along with the parents.

How do tracks get around this responsibility? Have each kid (and their parents) sign a waiver of liability. And then treat any kid that does not sign this waiver as trespassers.

Or just simply ban hazardous chemicals from the track.

Hey, I don't make the rules, just warning of the potential liability.
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Old 06-20-2004, 08:58 PM   #32
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Furthermore, you can't expect spectators/onlookers/newbies to be aware of the dangers of this Paragon crap. I thought that attracting newcomers to this hobby was a positive goal. It just takes one unconscious spectator to make this hobby look bad in the local papers.
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Old 06-20-2004, 09:01 PM   #33
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Uh you don't think a track is responsible if they lure children onto their property and then expose those same children to dangerous chemicals? gimmie a break!

It may be neglectful behaviour for a parent to leave a child at a track unattended, but then again it happens all the time. What highschool kid wants their parents around them 24/7? Also lots of kids go to tracks afterschool when their parents are working. So the track is at least 50% responsible along with the parents.

How do tracks get around this responsibility? Have each kid (and their parents) sign a waiver of liability. And then treat any kid that does not sign this waiver as trespassers.

Or just simply ban hazardous chemicals from the track.

Hey, I don't make the rules, just warning of the potential liability.

That has to be one of the most preposterous things I have heard.. I wouldn't leave my child somewhere without knowing what the dangers are. That's just stupid. These products have warnings on them for a reason, not for "interpretation". Fifteen years ago, I was at a local full scale dirt track with my family, and my aunt was whacked in the face with a huge chunk of dirt from one of the racecars. Did she hold them accountable? NO. We all knew that that was a hazard inherent with the entertainment.

This all goes back to two words-

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!

Enough said, and I'm sorry sir, you are wrong.
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Furthermore, you can't expect spectators/onlookers/newbies to be aware of the dangers of this Paragon crap. I thought that attracting newcomers to this hobby was a positive goal. It just takes one unconscious spectator to make this hobby look bad in the local papers.
One of our local shop owners was hit in the achilles and it snapped- he was hit by a racecar while marshalling on an open track, with spectators EVERYWHERE! If we were to tailor to EVERY danger in life, nothing would be fun anymore. This is not a big enough problem to have a fit over, I'm more worried about my batteries exploding than a chemical in the air.
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I was not talking about YOU leaving your kid at a track.

I was saying kids go to tracks...even if their parents are unaware of this fact.

If tracks allow kids inside an indoor track as well as allow dangerous chemicals to float around inside, they sure are responsible (at least partially) if those kids pass out.
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Would you have us ban skydiving? Or Sprint cars? Or motorcycle ice racing? Or rifle ranges? Or mining? Come on, life is dangerous, we ALL live with danger everyday.


We can't be responsible for those who won't be responsible for themselves!!
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Would you have us ban skydiving? Or Sprint cars? Or motorcycle ice racing? Or rifle ranges? Or mining? Come on, life is dangerous, we ALL live with danger everyday.


We can't be responsible for those who won't be responsible for themselves!!

last I heard, minors weren't allowed to skydive, race sprint cars, race motorcycles, or shoot rifles at ranges without their parents signing waivers...

hell...even adults cannot do those activites at commercial establishments without signing many waivers
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I was saying kids go to tracks...even if their parents are unaware of this fact.

That is the parents responsibility to know where their kids are. If they don't, they're being negligent. Simple as that.
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last I heard, minors weren't allowed to skydive, race sprint cars, race motorcycles, or shoot rifles at ranges without their parents signing waivers...

hell...even adults cannot do those activites at commercial establishments without signing many waivers

That's because irresponsible, sue-happy assholes have ruined the way that used to work. Didn't used to be that way, and people knew what would happen if you wandered onto a shooting range!
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That is the parents responsibility to know where their kids are. If they don't, they're being negligent. Simple as that.
I do not disagree...but the track is also responsible for kids that are on their property.
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I do not disagree...but the track is also responsible for kids that are on their property.
But to what degree? Not criminally, should there be an incident. It's not Wal Mart's fault if anyone goes into their store and pulls a TV down on their head. It is not negligent if a kid brings himself into a business and is injured, when his parents are unaware of his location.
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Phatkat - Actually you are wrong. Go read about liability.

If you cover the floor in your house with broken glass and somebody breaks-in and cuts themselve badly the homeowner is liable. Same deal with shop owners.
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I don't doubt that some scuzzball would try a suit, because hell, if a dumbass can dump coffee on themselves and win a suit, anything's possible.
I think I'm gonna sue Coors for all the ugly women I slept with.
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That can be argued in a court setting, since the injured was not a welcome guest. The definition is for the most part foggy concerning break-ins. That, also is a recent development in the perversion of our justice system. It all depends on your jury of peers.........
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I think I'm gonna sue Coors for all the ugly women I slept with.

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